1 00:00:14,591 --> 00:00:16,552 good evening ladies and gentlemen a very 2 00:00:16,552 --> 00:00:18,552 warm welcome to Ronnie Scots for those 3 00:00:18,552 --> 00:00:20,271 of you who' just arrived just before we 4 00:00:20,271 --> 00:00:22,672 get going a couple of necessary yet ever 5 00:00:22,672 --> 00:00:25,031 so boring announcements please we do ask 6 00:00:25,031 --> 00:00:27,151 no photography whatsoever try and keep 7 00:00:27,151 --> 00:00:29,192 your clothes on turn your mobiles off 8 00:00:29,192 --> 00:00:30,672 because you're about to enjoy some of 9 00:00:30,672 --> 00:00:34,791 the world's greatest musicians 10 00:00:49,692 --> 00:01:25,352 [Music] 11 00:01:25,352 --> 00:01:27,062 [Applause] 12 00:01:27,062 --> 00:01:49,162 [Music] 13 00:01:51,802 --> 00:03:06,902 [Music] 14 00:03:06,902 --> 00:03:15,642 [Applause] 15 00:03:18,432 --> 00:03:21,792 there's just so much history here in 16 00:03:21,792 --> 00:03:24,992 Ronny Scots you can feel the spirit of 17 00:03:24,992 --> 00:03:27,472 the greats who've come in and out it's 18 00:03:27,472 --> 00:03:31,612 just one of London's absolute 19 00:03:31,612 --> 00:03:34,811 [Music] 20 00:03:35,272 --> 00:03:37,751 Essentials for me Ronnie Scots is one of 21 00:03:37,751 --> 00:03:40,231 the great jazz clubs um you always feel 22 00:03:40,231 --> 00:03:42,391 like you're at home it's rare to find a 23 00:03:42,391 --> 00:03:44,231 club that's been around for even a 24 00:03:44,231 --> 00:03:46,112 fraction of the time that rise has been 25 00:03:46,112 --> 00:03:47,992 and has had so many great musicians play 26 00:03:47,992 --> 00:03:49,622 there over the 27 00:03:49,622 --> 00:03:53,992 [Music] 28 00:03:53,992 --> 00:03:56,231 years I like watching people when they 29 00:03:56,231 --> 00:03:57,472 walk in you can tell whether they've 30 00:03:57,472 --> 00:03:59,671 been here for the first time or not and 31 00:03:59,671 --> 00:04:02,552 I think the room and everything we do 32 00:04:02,552 --> 00:04:06,552 lives up to their expectations 33 00:04:07,482 --> 00:04:25,691 [Music] 34 00:04:27,432 --> 00:04:30,432 I 35 00:04:36,352 --> 00:04:51,742 [Music] 36 00:04:52,752 --> 00:04:56,512 to run Ronnie Scott you really have to 37 00:04:56,512 --> 00:04:59,512 understand the Legacy why it was started 38 00:04:59,512 --> 00:05:02,592 what the ethos was of the founders of 39 00:05:02,592 --> 00:05:06,432 the club it is a National Institution it 40 00:05:06,432 --> 00:05:08,752 is a 41 00:05:08,832 --> 00:05:10,232 [Music] 42 00:05:10,232 --> 00:05:13,071 responsibility so many people go to that 43 00:05:13,071 --> 00:05:15,592 club but they don't know anything about 44 00:05:15,592 --> 00:05:19,432 Rony Scott or or who he 45 00:05:26,512 --> 00:05:29,112 was I mean running a jazz club at the 46 00:05:29,112 --> 00:05:30,471 best of time is always that kind of 47 00:05:30,471 --> 00:05:32,272 knife edged business you make it one 48 00:05:32,272 --> 00:05:33,911 week and then the next week you don't 49 00:05:33,911 --> 00:05:36,992 and use the money to pay pay whoever you 50 00:05:36,992 --> 00:05:40,631 owe um and only really an idiot would go 51 00:05:40,631 --> 00:05:42,552 into into the Jazz Club business let's 52 00:05:42,552 --> 00:05:43,952 face 53 00:05:43,952 --> 00:05:47,631 it the club I think was onun his life 54 00:05:47,631 --> 00:05:50,432 you know from the day that he opened it 55 00:05:50,432 --> 00:05:53,272 he had this plan and I think yeah he 56 00:05:53,272 --> 00:05:55,592 devoted his life to 57 00:05:55,592 --> 00:05:58,392 it everybody followed him I mean he was 58 00:05:58,392 --> 00:06:00,712 regarded really even if it was written 59 00:06:00,712 --> 00:06:04,552 down he was the leader he wasn't going 60 00:06:04,552 --> 00:06:08,471 out to be a leader he was just what he 61 00:06:08,471 --> 00:06:12,471 was was always gracious inviting and 62 00:06:12,471 --> 00:06:15,032 free to share his ideas with everybody 63 00:06:15,032 --> 00:06:17,432 it was interesting interesting to be a 64 00:06:17,432 --> 00:06:19,792 part of 65 00:06:21,552 --> 00:06:24,152 it I will remember him as an absolutely 66 00:06:24,152 --> 00:06:25,592 crucial Catalyst to the British Jazz 67 00:06:25,592 --> 00:06:27,312 scene who never ever thought he was the 68 00:06:27,312 --> 00:06:28,672 personal qualities of Ronnie that I was 69 00:06:28,672 --> 00:06:30,792 always struck by were his frankness and 70 00:06:30,792 --> 00:06:34,272 honesty his deep love of Music a person 71 00:06:34,272 --> 00:06:36,432 of great Creative Energy I think he 72 00:06:36,432 --> 00:06:38,272 tried to do it from this sort of Bunker 73 00:06:38,272 --> 00:06:40,312 of Ronnie Scott's Club this private 74 00:06:40,312 --> 00:06:42,712 World from which we all gradually 75 00:06:42,712 --> 00:06:45,552 learned what an important music jazz 76 00:06:45,552 --> 00:06:48,351 was people wanted to like him people 77 00:06:48,351 --> 00:06:51,232 wanted to meet him wanted to bask in his 78 00:06:51,232 --> 00:06:53,471 shadow but he he wasn't that kind of man 79 00:06:53,471 --> 00:06:56,351 at all there was a great sort of um 80 00:06:56,351 --> 00:07:00,672 Darkness he was not easy to 81 00:07:02,792 --> 00:07:05,672 know somebody who described him as a 82 00:07:05,672 --> 00:07:07,392 very interesting bunch of 83 00:07:07,392 --> 00:07:10,751 guys he was something to me a different 84 00:07:10,751 --> 00:07:12,471 person with these various women 85 00:07:12,471 --> 00:07:14,911 he was at his best when holding Court in 86 00:07:14,911 --> 00:07:16,992 the office at the 87 00:07:16,992 --> 00:07:20,272 club each individual that you speak with 88 00:07:20,272 --> 00:07:22,351 will be totally convinced that that was 89 00:07:22,351 --> 00:07:25,512 the whole Ronnie that they really knew 90 00:07:25,512 --> 00:07:29,152 Ronnie thoroughly and I don't think 91 00:07:29,152 --> 00:07:32,751 anybody really really knew the whole man 92 00:07:32,751 --> 00:07:35,311 it's not until you gather all the pieces 93 00:07:35,311 --> 00:07:37,272 together and put it all together that 94 00:07:37,272 --> 00:07:42,592 that you get the full picture of him 95 00:07:45,542 --> 00:08:38,121 [Music] 96 00:08:38,792 --> 00:08:40,432 I come from a very poor family in the 97 00:08:40,432 --> 00:08:42,471 East End of London we really were 98 00:08:42,471 --> 00:08:43,832 desperately poor had to buy all our 99 00:08:43,832 --> 00:08:45,792 clothes at a war surplus store and let 100 00:08:45,792 --> 00:08:46,951 me tell you it was no fun for a 101 00:08:46,951 --> 00:08:48,512 9-year-old Jewish kid to have to go to 102 00:08:48,512 --> 00:08:49,711 school in the East End wearing a 103 00:08:49,711 --> 00:08:53,632 Japanese Admiral's uniform 104 00:08:56,402 --> 00:09:05,741 [Music] 105 00:09:16,652 --> 00:09:22,921 [Music] 106 00:09:27,672 --> 00:09:29,951 Ron you're a Londoner aren't you yes yes 107 00:09:29,951 --> 00:09:32,072 e London East London Coty well within 108 00:09:32,072 --> 00:09:34,752 the sound of boell yes musical family 109 00:09:34,752 --> 00:09:37,192 well my father was a saxophone 110 00:09:37,192 --> 00:09:40,152 player he and my mother separated when I 111 00:09:40,152 --> 00:09:41,992 was very young I think I was about four 112 00:09:41,992 --> 00:09:44,032 at the time and they were divorced 113 00:09:44,032 --> 00:09:45,711 shortly afterwards I knew was a 114 00:09:45,711 --> 00:09:48,232 saxophone player that's all I 115 00:09:48,232 --> 00:09:50,792 knew when the dance bands were on the 116 00:09:50,792 --> 00:09:53,072 radio I used to listen and I used to 117 00:09:53,072 --> 00:09:54,951 think perhaps my old man is playing in 118 00:09:54,951 --> 00:09:58,271 that band I think possibly I graduated 119 00:09:58,271 --> 00:10:01,192 to the saxophone perhaps because of that 120 00:10:01,192 --> 00:10:03,672 and decided I would like to play in a 121 00:10:03,672 --> 00:10:07,112 band in those days the epitome as far as 122 00:10:07,112 --> 00:10:09,312 I was concerned was playing in a dance 123 00:10:09,312 --> 00:10:12,312 band 124 00:10:13,782 --> 00:10:17,012 [Music] 125 00:10:23,052 --> 00:10:26,231 [Music] 126 00:10:28,352 --> 00:10:30,792 these are not Hollywood sound 127 00:10:30,792 --> 00:10:33,112 effects this is the music they play 128 00:10:33,112 --> 00:10:35,592 every night in London the Symphony of 129 00:10:35,592 --> 00:10:38,592 War 130 00:10:44,072 --> 00:10:46,831 when I was about 12 the ambition was to 131 00:10:46,831 --> 00:10:50,951 be a rear gunner in the RAF and I joined 132 00:10:50,951 --> 00:10:53,192 the local air training course Squad was 133 00:10:53,192 --> 00:10:55,271 kind of an RAF Boy 134 00:10:55,271 --> 00:10:57,632 Scouts I remember there was a young kid 135 00:10:57,632 --> 00:10:59,872 in air training Corp troop who used to 136 00:10:59,872 --> 00:11:02,632 play the piano like Conor Charlie [ __ ] 137 00:11:02,632 --> 00:11:06,552 and I thought he was fantastic 138 00:11:07,342 --> 00:11:11,231 [Music] 139 00:11:12,711 --> 00:11:13,992 I didn't know what I wanted to play 140 00:11:13,992 --> 00:11:16,071 really I thought I tried this corn which 141 00:11:16,071 --> 00:11:19,391 I bought for five B from a junk shop 142 00:11:19,391 --> 00:11:21,872 that I passed on my way to 143 00:11:21,872 --> 00:11:24,472 school it was held together I remember 144 00:11:24,472 --> 00:11:27,711 with black masking 145 00:11:28,312 --> 00:11:32,232 tape then uh I got a soprano saxophone 146 00:11:32,232 --> 00:11:34,592 and it was a very very early model I 147 00:11:34,592 --> 00:11:36,792 remember and I found extraordinary 148 00:11:36,792 --> 00:11:40,992 difficult to play I still do 149 00:11:43,352 --> 00:11:44,672 I think I've eventually played at a 150 00:11:44,672 --> 00:11:46,711 little T and my mother was terrible but 151 00:11:46,711 --> 00:11:48,552 you know my son the musician was 152 00:11:48,552 --> 00:11:51,032 Dreadful noise from the soprano my 153 00:11:51,032 --> 00:11:53,192 mother and stepfather saw that I was 154 00:11:53,192 --> 00:11:55,672 keen on it and decided to buy me a 155 00:11:55,672 --> 00:11:57,951 proper 156 00:12:01,391 --> 00:12:03,672 saxophone I was in love with it from the 157 00:12:03,672 --> 00:12:05,032 beginning you know I remember when I 158 00:12:05,032 --> 00:12:08,112 used to uh travel on tube trains with it 159 00:12:08,112 --> 00:12:11,271 I used to sit and open it and look at it 160 00:12:11,271 --> 00:12:13,192 it was so so 161 00:12:13,192 --> 00:12:15,472 beautiful I used to go to this club in 162 00:12:15,472 --> 00:12:17,391 East End Alum and we used to have what 163 00:12:17,391 --> 00:12:19,711 we fondly thought of were Jam sessions 164 00:12:19,711 --> 00:12:21,672 in the in the basement I would love to 165 00:12:21,672 --> 00:12:23,992 hear a tape recording of that noise we 166 00:12:23,992 --> 00:12:26,912 made it was great 167 00:12:28,792 --> 00:12:31,631 fun I graduated from the East end to the 168 00:12:31,631 --> 00:12:33,912 West End when I was 16 or 17 there were 169 00:12:33,912 --> 00:12:35,631 places called bottle parties which were 170 00:12:35,631 --> 00:12:37,711 kind of sleazy nightclubs and we used to 171 00:12:37,711 --> 00:12:41,982 go around and sit in with these bands 172 00:12:41,982 --> 00:12:50,872 [Music] 173 00:12:50,872 --> 00:12:54,232 I worked from there with a few bands on 174 00:12:54,232 --> 00:12:56,592 the road and then I went with Ted Heath 175 00:12:56,592 --> 00:12:59,552 band when I was 18 which was the big 176 00:12:59,552 --> 00:13:01,912 break I suppose it was the band of the 177 00:13:01,912 --> 00:13:04,912 day 178 00:13:12,032 --> 00:13:15,552 it was a very nice era to come up in I 179 00:13:15,552 --> 00:13:17,312 always at the feeling that the musicians 180 00:13:17,312 --> 00:13:19,432 of my generation had the best time it 181 00:13:19,432 --> 00:13:21,992 was all new it was all exciting there 182 00:13:21,992 --> 00:13:24,592 was a great deal of camaraderie around 183 00:13:24,592 --> 00:13:27,352 it was just great 184 00:13:28,352 --> 00:13:32,152 fun I knew of Ronnie of course uh by 185 00:13:32,152 --> 00:13:34,432 coming to listen to him live and Ronnie 186 00:13:34,432 --> 00:13:36,072 was 187 00:13:36,072 --> 00:13:39,152 [Music] 188 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:41,711 superb when did you form your own person 189 00:13:41,711 --> 00:13:44,312 band that was around 190 00:13:44,312 --> 00:13:48,232 19 54 191 00:13:48,232 --> 00:13:51,232 55 I'd been working with Jack parnell's 192 00:13:51,232 --> 00:13:53,232 band and then there was a kind of a bust 193 00:13:53,232 --> 00:13:56,391 up and several of the guys left we just 194 00:13:56,391 --> 00:13:58,552 had the idea of forming this Cooperative 195 00:13:58,552 --> 00:14:01,482 band so we did 196 00:14:01,482 --> 00:14:06,002 [Music] 197 00:14:06,352 --> 00:14:09,391 it the people in that group including P 198 00:14:09,391 --> 00:14:12,631 King the manager became very friendly 199 00:14:12,631 --> 00:14:14,711 and we became a sort of Hardcore of 200 00:14:14,711 --> 00:14:16,071 friends I 201 00:14:16,071 --> 00:14:19,271 suppose Pete and I were uh musicians 202 00:14:19,271 --> 00:14:21,831 together he was a saxophone player and 203 00:14:21,831 --> 00:14:24,232 we've been together ever since seems 204 00:14:24,232 --> 00:14:26,631 like yesterday and you know what allow 205 00:14:26,631 --> 00:14:28,432 you day 206 00:14:28,432 --> 00:14:30,631 yesterday Pete of course was interested 207 00:14:30,631 --> 00:14:32,511 in management he loved deals and he 208 00:14:32,511 --> 00:14:34,511 loved negotiations and he loved finding 209 00:14:34,511 --> 00:14:36,352 out how far he could go and getting the 210 00:14:36,352 --> 00:14:39,071 deal to his Advantage Ronnie and Pete 211 00:14:39,071 --> 00:14:41,191 were incredibly loyal to musicians they 212 00:14:41,191 --> 00:14:43,472 admire 213 00:14:43,951 --> 00:14:46,232 I had a phone call one afternoon it was 214 00:14:46,232 --> 00:14:49,511 Pete King and he said we want a vocalist 215 00:14:49,511 --> 00:14:52,792 we would be touring about 5 days a week 216 00:14:52,792 --> 00:14:55,232 and at that time it was fantastic money 217 00:14:55,232 --> 00:14:58,511 it was5 a gig and fell on the floor when 218 00:14:58,511 --> 00:15:00,992 he said that he he said how's that sound 219 00:15:00,992 --> 00:15:05,112 I said yeah sounds sounds good but their 220 00:15:05,112 --> 00:15:08,191 agent said if you want to go on the road 221 00:15:08,191 --> 00:15:10,992 and play dance halls it will have to be 222 00:15:10,992 --> 00:15:12,592 commercial 223 00:15:12,592 --> 00:15:16,711 Jazz oh no didn't stand a 224 00:15:16,711 --> 00:15:19,232 chance because it was damned in the eyes 225 00:15:19,232 --> 00:15:21,352 of the musical establishment we were 226 00:15:21,352 --> 00:15:23,032 unemployable that's right I mean this is 227 00:15:23,032 --> 00:15:25,482 why we had to form our own 228 00:15:25,482 --> 00:15:28,752 [Music] 229 00:15:28,912 --> 00:15:31,191 scene the landscape of jazz in the 230 00:15:31,191 --> 00:15:33,872 mid-50s was extremely 231 00:15:33,872 --> 00:15:37,752 diverse bbop at that time was a new 232 00:15:37,752 --> 00:15:40,672 development started in America in 1939 233 00:15:40,672 --> 00:15:42,472 or 1940 234 00:15:42,472 --> 00:15:44,391 which was a reaction against the 235 00:15:44,391 --> 00:15:46,872 commercialization of swing a lot of the 236 00:15:46,872 --> 00:15:49,032 younger musicians particularly the the 237 00:15:49,032 --> 00:15:51,112 most proficient and skillful Ones 238 00:15:51,112 --> 00:15:53,232 playing in those swing bands were just 239 00:15:53,232 --> 00:15:54,552 getting bored with 240 00:15:54,552 --> 00:15:58,191 it we'd recognized a language a musical 241 00:15:58,191 --> 00:16:00,191 language that was for our time that was 242 00:16:00,191 --> 00:16:02,872 our time when I first heard ronning 243 00:16:02,872 --> 00:16:06,032 ronning was always playing that 244 00:16:06,032 --> 00:16:09,191 way you know we could never understand 245 00:16:09,191 --> 00:16:11,592 why a young man as we all were in those 246 00:16:11,592 --> 00:16:14,872 days wanted to play a music of 20 or 30 247 00:16:14,872 --> 00:16:17,191 years ago and not want to play what was 248 00:16:17,191 --> 00:16:21,702 the music we thought of as of the 249 00:16:21,702 --> 00:16:25,952 [Music] 250 00:16:28,951 --> 00:16:31,312 time there were a lot of American 251 00:16:31,312 --> 00:16:34,592 servicemen of course around at that time 252 00:16:34,592 --> 00:16:36,631 and one of the musicians that was around 253 00:16:36,631 --> 00:16:38,391 was Art Peppa who was a military 254 00:16:38,391 --> 00:16:40,152 policeman of all things the most 255 00:16:40,152 --> 00:16:42,071 unlikely military Poli policeman you can 256 00:16:42,071 --> 00:16:44,432 imagine I remember going up to him and 257 00:16:44,432 --> 00:16:47,352 saying that's the best saxophone playing 258 00:16:47,352 --> 00:16:49,552 I've ever heard and he said well if you 259 00:16:49,552 --> 00:16:51,432 like that wait till you hear Charlie 260 00:16:51,432 --> 00:16:54,362 Parker 261 00:16:54,362 --> 00:17:13,312 [Music] 262 00:17:13,312 --> 00:17:15,592 when our saxophone players first heard 263 00:17:15,592 --> 00:17:18,912 Parker well we thought was Jesus 264 00:17:18,912 --> 00:17:22,312 Christ it was absolutely phenomenal 265 00:17:22,312 --> 00:17:24,351 everybody that played the saxophone was 266 00:17:24,351 --> 00:17:28,312 bowled over literally bowd 267 00:17:28,312 --> 00:17:32,032 over Welcome to the Club Le it's almost 268 00:17:32,032 --> 00:17:33,871 like a youth movement because these were 269 00:17:33,871 --> 00:17:36,032 young musicians who adopted what they 270 00:17:36,032 --> 00:17:38,351 call Modern Jazz at the time and it was 271 00:17:38,351 --> 00:17:40,792 a new language that Charlie Parker disal 272 00:17:40,792 --> 00:17:42,792 espie and alonia smun were introducing 273 00:17:42,792 --> 00:17:45,872 to the music it was less stayed than the 274 00:17:45,872 --> 00:17:47,952 big bands that have been playing 275 00:17:47,952 --> 00:17:50,231 primarily dance music so there music 276 00:17:50,231 --> 00:17:53,952 that you uh Listen to More Than dance 277 00:17:53,952 --> 00:17:56,912 to it was basically down to everybody 278 00:17:56,912 --> 00:17:59,231 that was interested in trying to find a 279 00:17:59,231 --> 00:18:01,752 way harmonically and rhythmically of 280 00:18:01,752 --> 00:18:04,552 studying bball so one of the things that 281 00:18:04,552 --> 00:18:06,792 we did do was sign on to what we used to 282 00:18:06,792 --> 00:18:10,622 call geraldo's Navy 283 00:18:10,622 --> 00:18:13,512 [Music] 284 00:18:13,512 --> 00:18:15,591 that was a way to get your ass to New 285 00:18:15,591 --> 00:18:17,832 York because you play in the in the 286 00:18:17,832 --> 00:18:19,872 dance band on the boat and then you get 287 00:18:19,872 --> 00:18:21,952 a few days of shore before you came back 288 00:18:21,952 --> 00:18:23,712 and there you could visit all the Jazz 289 00:18:23,712 --> 00:18:24,342 Clips in 290 00:18:24,342 --> 00:18:36,261 [Music] 291 00:18:37,752 --> 00:18:41,872 manham for a young English jazz music to 292 00:18:41,872 --> 00:18:44,591 go to New York in those days it was like 293 00:18:44,591 --> 00:18:47,912 being transported to 294 00:18:48,312 --> 00:18:50,792 Dreamland I went to the jazz clubs there 295 00:18:50,792 --> 00:18:52,912 and heard some of these guys in person 296 00:18:52,912 --> 00:18:55,062 and it just knocked me 297 00:18:55,062 --> 00:19:08,721 [Music] 298 00:19:08,792 --> 00:19:11,832 out the first time I came to America 299 00:19:11,832 --> 00:19:14,752 we got in this cab and the driver kind 300 00:19:14,752 --> 00:19:16,912 of turned around they used guys from 301 00:19:16,912 --> 00:19:19,392 London and it was in this Brooklyn 302 00:19:19,392 --> 00:19:21,552 accent Tony and my friend and I looked 303 00:19:21,552 --> 00:19:24,672 at each other and we just grinned it was 304 00:19:24,672 --> 00:19:26,822 like being in in the 305 00:19:26,822 --> 00:19:29,072 [Music] 306 00:19:29,072 --> 00:19:31,832 movies the first street sign we saw was 307 00:19:31,832 --> 00:19:34,832 52nd Street which even then to us was a 308 00:19:34,832 --> 00:19:37,072 hallowed name 52nd Street where where 309 00:19:37,072 --> 00:19:40,591 all jazz clubs were playing old Jazz new 310 00:19:40,591 --> 00:19:41,922 Jazz everything in 311 00:19:41,922 --> 00:19:46,712 [Music] 312 00:19:46,712 --> 00:19:49,872 between to walk in to this little place 313 00:19:49,872 --> 00:19:53,392 and hear this band with this American 314 00:19:53,392 --> 00:19:55,512 sound that we'd never really heard in 315 00:19:55,512 --> 00:19:58,832 person before was 316 00:20:00,912 --> 00:20:03,312 amazing so we had a beer in the three 317 00:20:03,312 --> 00:20:05,512 Deuces made it last as long as possible 318 00:20:05,512 --> 00:20:09,512 until the bartender began to get uh a 319 00:20:09,512 --> 00:20:12,312 bit insistent and then we go next door 320 00:20:12,312 --> 00:20:14,111 to the down bit here diz's band and 321 00:20:14,111 --> 00:20:17,202 that's way went on all through the night 322 00:20:17,202 --> 00:20:21,461 [Music] 323 00:20:26,562 --> 00:20:41,102 [Music] 324 00:20:43,192 --> 00:20:46,231 I never go back to Georgia cuz I like 325 00:20:46,231 --> 00:20:47,302 London 326 00:20:47,302 --> 00:21:08,642 [Music] 327 00:21:11,231 --> 00:21:14,231 a 328 00:21:15,992 --> 00:22:07,041 [Music] 329 00:22:09,711 --> 00:22:12,711 he 330 00:22:23,471 --> 00:22:24,832 now Ronnie you were one of the best 331 00:22:24,832 --> 00:22:26,272 tennis ax players in the country you 332 00:22:26,272 --> 00:22:28,152 were winning all the pears you were 333 00:22:28,152 --> 00:22:29,991 doing all right why did you decide to 334 00:22:29,991 --> 00:22:33,952 open a jazz club I much prefer clubs to 335 00:22:33,952 --> 00:22:36,312 concerts as far as playing is concern I 336 00:22:36,312 --> 00:22:39,632 think a lot of musicians feel the same 337 00:22:39,632 --> 00:22:42,392 way having had this experience in New 338 00:22:42,392 --> 00:22:44,991 York of places like the three Deuces and 339 00:22:44,991 --> 00:22:46,792 the downbeat and the Hickory House and 340 00:22:46,792 --> 00:22:49,351 places like that they really seem to me 341 00:22:49,351 --> 00:22:51,711 the ideal kind of setting for jazz music 342 00:22:51,711 --> 00:22:53,512 to be played 343 00:22:53,512 --> 00:22:55,832 in I'd never seen anything like it was a 344 00:22:55,832 --> 00:22:57,471 fantastic atmosphere and the music was 345 00:22:57,471 --> 00:22:59,512 marvelous and I think this had a kind of 346 00:22:59,512 --> 00:23:02,072 lasting impression on me when I came 347 00:23:02,072 --> 00:23:03,672 back there was always the idea of 348 00:23:03,672 --> 00:23:09,152 opening one day a place similar to that 349 00:23:09,642 --> 00:23:12,771 [Music] 350 00:23:15,672 --> 00:23:18,591 he had told me that coming back from New 351 00:23:18,591 --> 00:23:21,591 York to London he had plenty of time on 352 00:23:21,591 --> 00:23:24,991 the boat to dream up how he wanted his 353 00:23:24,991 --> 00:23:28,351 Club to be he pictured it 354 00:23:28,351 --> 00:23:30,591 completely we used to get in the coach 355 00:23:30,591 --> 00:23:32,752 at whatever time with a cushion and 356 00:23:32,752 --> 00:23:35,231 duffel coats freezing you know and we 357 00:23:35,231 --> 00:23:37,672 used to sit and talk and say well 358 00:23:37,672 --> 00:23:39,552 wouldn't it be nice if we could open up 359 00:23:39,552 --> 00:23:43,392 a club the deed was sown 360 00:23:43,392 --> 00:23:46,231 really I used to overhear them talking 361 00:23:46,231 --> 00:23:49,512 about it he said I can provide the music 362 00:23:49,512 --> 00:23:51,672 of what I want and I can play in the 363 00:23:51,672 --> 00:23:53,512 club but I'm not a 364 00:23:53,512 --> 00:23:56,711 businessman Pete King was the 365 00:23:56,711 --> 00:23:59,231 businessman and they had this dream of 366 00:23:59,231 --> 00:24:01,392 having a 367 00:24:01,392 --> 00:24:04,351 club Pete was basically the rock around 368 00:24:04,351 --> 00:24:06,711 which the club was built and Ronnie was 369 00:24:06,711 --> 00:24:09,832 the Stardust 370 00:24:10,792 --> 00:24:13,982 [Music] 371 00:24:16,872 --> 00:24:19,032 the lights Blaze and dance a city with 372 00:24:19,032 --> 00:24:21,111 her makeup on and in the alleys where 373 00:24:21,111 --> 00:24:23,872 the lamps are low the clubs and the Easy 374 00:24:23,872 --> 00:24:26,552 Money joints the fashionable night spots 375 00:24:26,552 --> 00:24:28,672 as proud of their respectability as a 376 00:24:28,672 --> 00:24:31,711 girl of her first mink the allight cafes 377 00:24:31,711 --> 00:24:34,982 and the nud shows so 378 00:24:34,982 --> 00:24:45,912 [Music] 379 00:24:45,912 --> 00:24:48,432 well he was such a a Bohemian colorful 380 00:24:48,432 --> 00:24:50,952 sort of those marvelous characters it 381 00:24:50,952 --> 00:24:52,672 was very Cosmopolitan and and there were 382 00:24:52,672 --> 00:24:54,952 a lot of artists and musicians who used 383 00:24:54,952 --> 00:24:58,672 to meet in so and various pubs and clubs 384 00:24:58,672 --> 00:25:00,912 and there were the ladies of the night 385 00:25:00,912 --> 00:25:02,432 and there were marvelous restaurants to 386 00:25:02,432 --> 00:25:04,831 eat in there were the gangsters of 387 00:25:04,831 --> 00:25:07,312 course the people like uh Billy Hill and 388 00:25:07,312 --> 00:25:09,831 jack spot if there was any violence it 389 00:25:09,831 --> 00:25:11,231 was amongst themselves they never 390 00:25:11,231 --> 00:25:12,672 touched members of the general public 391 00:25:12,672 --> 00:25:14,711 and in fact musicians in particular they 392 00:25:14,711 --> 00:25:16,351 left alone entir were very friendly 393 00:25:16,351 --> 00:25:18,272 towards the musicians and it was just a 394 00:25:18,272 --> 00:25:19,542 great place to 395 00:25:19,542 --> 00:25:22,632 [Music] 396 00:25:22,632 --> 00:25:25,792 be so I said just now that I wouldn't do 397 00:25:25,792 --> 00:25:30,072 it again but I apologize if you paid 398 00:25:30,072 --> 00:25:32,752 more I've got to clear stocks and let's 399 00:25:32,752 --> 00:25:35,471 be quite truthful people we haven't come 400 00:25:35,471 --> 00:25:38,312 down here for the bloody benefit of our 401 00:25:38,312 --> 00:25:41,471 elves there were all kind kinds of 402 00:25:41,471 --> 00:25:43,752 eccentric people wanding 403 00:25:43,752 --> 00:25:45,952 about you'd hear all these stories about 404 00:25:45,952 --> 00:25:48,351 someone called iron foot Jack you know 405 00:25:48,351 --> 00:25:49,591 that would be people who would hang out 406 00:25:49,591 --> 00:25:52,072 in SoHo but with no visible means of 407 00:25:52,072 --> 00:25:55,231 support somehow they all seem to get 408 00:25:55,231 --> 00:25:58,552 along together joined by being Outsiders 409 00:25:58,552 --> 00:26:01,152 of various 410 00:26:01,192 --> 00:26:03,872 kinds and this time you'll be a cever 411 00:26:03,872 --> 00:26:06,231 birdie and go around on the wheel one 2 412 00:26:06,231 --> 00:26:09,032 three four up and down and I made it go 413 00:26:09,032 --> 00:26:11,432 round one little bird in the 414 00:26:11,432 --> 00:26:13,831 up and down and a he go around with his 415 00:26:13,831 --> 00:26:16,552 bum in the air Jaz has always been 416 00:26:16,552 --> 00:26:19,912 considered slightly naughty anyway so it 417 00:26:19,912 --> 00:26:21,952 fitted nicely into 418 00:26:21,952 --> 00:26:24,392 Soho you have to remember in those days 419 00:26:24,392 --> 00:26:27,032 the situation of jazz musicians was a 420 00:26:27,032 --> 00:26:29,872 powerless one you could play jazz but 421 00:26:29,872 --> 00:26:32,952 you had to work for people that they 422 00:26:32,952 --> 00:26:35,231 called themselves jazz club Proprietors 423 00:26:35,231 --> 00:26:37,552 what they really were were Petty felons 424 00:26:37,552 --> 00:26:39,711 most of them and they would hire a ROM 425 00:26:39,711 --> 00:26:41,471 and hire some musici and give them at 426 00:26:41,471 --> 00:26:43,192 least St Siege and then pocket the 427 00:26:43,192 --> 00:26:44,312 proceeds there were nothing could do 428 00:26:44,312 --> 00:26:45,952 with music these people if they were 429 00:26:45,952 --> 00:26:47,672 going to sell music because it made 430 00:26:47,672 --> 00:26:51,152 money that's all so when Ronnie finally 431 00:26:51,152 --> 00:26:53,272 formed a club it was a revolutionary 432 00:26:53,272 --> 00:26:55,872 thing to do because there had never been 433 00:26:55,872 --> 00:26:58,272 a club when you went to work you were 434 00:26:58,272 --> 00:26:59,792 working for one of the fellas they' 435 00:26:59,792 --> 00:27:03,591 never been there ever 436 00:27:13,831 --> 00:27:16,231 these premises became available in 437 00:27:16,231 --> 00:27:19,032 Gerard street they were a taxi driver's 438 00:27:19,032 --> 00:27:21,632 kind of all night Cafe at the time so we 439 00:27:21,632 --> 00:27:22,722 took them 440 00:27:22,722 --> 00:27:25,711 [Music] 441 00:27:25,711 --> 00:27:28,591 over we spoke to the the landlord about 442 00:27:28,591 --> 00:27:31,312 it and we went ahead with decorating it 443 00:27:31,312 --> 00:27:33,272 my father-in-law came down from 444 00:27:33,272 --> 00:27:35,872 Manchester to do the 445 00:27:35,872 --> 00:27:38,231 carpentry I remember we went down to the 446 00:27:38,231 --> 00:27:41,152 East End and bought 60 or 70 secondhand 447 00:27:41,152 --> 00:27:45,312 chairs and we hired a piano and some PA 448 00:27:45,312 --> 00:27:48,142 equipment and off we 449 00:27:48,142 --> 00:27:55,221 [Music] 450 00:28:01,432 --> 00:28:04,672 went the basement in Jersey was 2 and6 451 00:28:04,672 --> 00:28:07,552 to come in and on Saturday nights what 452 00:28:07,552 --> 00:28:09,792 we call the all nighter which I think 453 00:28:09,792 --> 00:28:12,991 was five b come in we stayed open till 454 00:28:12,991 --> 00:28:14,792 till uh nobody 455 00:28:14,792 --> 00:28:16,831 left they have pictures of jazz 456 00:28:16,831 --> 00:28:19,392 musicians on the wall and the chairs 457 00:28:19,392 --> 00:28:21,312 were in rows neat rows and they all 458 00:28:21,312 --> 00:28:23,912 faced the stage none of the chairs 459 00:28:23,912 --> 00:28:26,351 matched and I honestly think he must 460 00:28:26,351 --> 00:28:28,192 have got them as a job block from the 461 00:28:28,192 --> 00:28:31,471 Salvation Army but somehow it you felt 462 00:28:31,471 --> 00:28:34,711 that you were in the genuine In Crowd of 463 00:28:34,711 --> 00:28:37,591 the musical Jazz circle of London you'd 464 00:28:37,591 --> 00:28:40,752 arrived in a club that was designed for 465 00:28:40,752 --> 00:28:43,032 jazz 466 00:28:43,032 --> 00:28:45,312 musicians we'd occasionally go down 467 00:28:45,312 --> 00:28:46,951 Gerard Street in the middle of the night 468 00:28:46,951 --> 00:28:48,951 and walk down the little raw iron STC 469 00:28:48,951 --> 00:28:50,792 and tap on the little wooden window 470 00:28:50,792 --> 00:28:53,512 which they'd slide open and it was 471 00:28:53,512 --> 00:28:56,512 either Ronnie or Peete himself and said 472 00:28:56,512 --> 00:28:58,392 like any chance of popping in for a 473 00:28:58,392 --> 00:29:00,632 minute to have a listen and usually the 474 00:29:00,632 --> 00:29:02,752 answer would be no [ __ ] 475 00:29:02,752 --> 00:29:05,432 off it was a nice little room I mean I 476 00:29:05,432 --> 00:29:07,831 would have been quite happy to stay 477 00:29:07,831 --> 00:29:10,152 there for the rest of my life we just 478 00:29:10,152 --> 00:29:12,072 paid the rent and paid the guys and that 479 00:29:12,072 --> 00:29:14,231 was 480 00:29:17,591 --> 00:29:22,552 it the other promoters were very angry 481 00:29:22,552 --> 00:29:24,231 when he opened the club they didn't like 482 00:29:24,231 --> 00:29:26,192 it they didn't like the idea of a 483 00:29:26,192 --> 00:29:28,152 musician becoming a proprietor because 484 00:29:28,152 --> 00:29:30,792 they reckon it was uh trespassing on 485 00:29:30,792 --> 00:29:32,392 their hallow ground but there was 486 00:29:32,392 --> 00:29:33,872 nothing they could do about it and after 487 00:29:33,872 --> 00:29:36,032 a while they learn to live with it what 488 00:29:36,032 --> 00:29:38,312 none of us including Ronnie imagin was 489 00:29:38,312 --> 00:29:41,672 that he'd long outlived them 490 00:29:41,672 --> 00:29:44,032 the difficulty was Financial because the 491 00:29:44,032 --> 00:29:45,272 kind of music they wanted to play 492 00:29:45,272 --> 00:29:47,032 wouldn't pull a big enough audience but 493 00:29:47,032 --> 00:29:48,912 I think what they hoped that in the long 494 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,711 run they could do was that all their 495 00:29:50,711 --> 00:29:52,951 great Heroes and Jazz could all come 496 00:29:52,951 --> 00:29:54,132 together in this one 497 00:29:54,132 --> 00:29:57,172 [Applause] 498 00:29:57,172 --> 00:30:07,391 [Music] 499 00:30:07,792 --> 00:30:10,351 place what you do it's the way that you 500 00:30:10,351 --> 00:30:13,991 do do it what you do the way you do it 501 00:30:13,991 --> 00:30:16,792 what you do way you do it that's what 502 00:30:16,792 --> 00:30:20,152 gets results take what you do it's the 503 00:30:20,152 --> 00:30:22,591 place you do it what you do it's the 504 00:30:22,591 --> 00:30:25,591 place you do it what you do it's place 505 00:30:25,591 --> 00:30:29,912 you do it what gets results you can try 506 00:30:29,912 --> 00:30:32,231 hard don't mean to 507 00:30:32,231 --> 00:30:37,552 sing take it EAS Breezy then you bound 508 00:30:37,552 --> 00:30:40,672 to swing T what you do with the wi that 509 00:30:40,672 --> 00:30:42,752 you do it then what you do it's the 510 00:30:42,752 --> 00:30:44,831 place that you do it what you do it's 511 00:30:44,831 --> 00:30:47,111 the time that you do it that's what gets 512 00:30:47,111 --> 00:30:49,392 the 513 00:30:50,432 --> 00:30:53,432 result 514 00:30:54,672 --> 00:30:57,591 get it was very difficult to make end 515 00:30:57,591 --> 00:30:59,632 meet local musicians are taken for 516 00:30:59,632 --> 00:31:01,512 granted if we were going to stay open 517 00:31:01,512 --> 00:31:03,632 we'd have to import foreign musicians 518 00:31:03,632 --> 00:31:05,912 Americans in 519 00:31:05,912 --> 00:31:08,552 particular we tried to run the place on 520 00:31:08,552 --> 00:31:10,792 English music and it just didn't didn't 521 00:31:10,792 --> 00:31:14,312 work it just didn't 522 00:31:14,312 --> 00:31:16,392 work you know this is the one thing 523 00:31:16,392 --> 00:31:18,432 really that that that that I find a 524 00:31:18,432 --> 00:31:21,351 little discouraging is there are so many 525 00:31:21,351 --> 00:31:23,032 good jazz musicians that one would like 526 00:31:23,032 --> 00:31:24,752 to present and one knows that are good 527 00:31:24,752 --> 00:31:27,392 players but just don't mean anything 528 00:31:27,392 --> 00:31:29,392 economically because they're not uh they 529 00:31:29,392 --> 00:31:30,711 haven't had the publicity or they 530 00:31:30,711 --> 00:31:32,872 haven't been built up into the legend 531 00:31:32,872 --> 00:31:35,512 that that some players have you know 532 00:31:35,512 --> 00:31:37,711 they weren't making the money that they 533 00:31:37,711 --> 00:31:40,312 had to as a business to make it work and 534 00:31:40,312 --> 00:31:41,672 and they felt well they needed somebody 535 00:31:41,672 --> 00:31:44,032 of international status and in those 536 00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:46,392 days the only salable Jazz musicians and 537 00:31:46,392 --> 00:31:48,392 their Heroes of course were American 538 00:31:48,392 --> 00:31:49,711 Jazz musicians and that's when we have 539 00:31:49,711 --> 00:31:52,192 suit Sims coming here in 962 540 00:31:52,192 --> 00:32:15,602 [Music] 541 00:32:15,872 --> 00:32:17,512 there was this long-standing feud 542 00:32:17,512 --> 00:32:20,552 between the American and English Union 543 00:32:20,552 --> 00:32:21,752 the English Union wouldn't have 544 00:32:21,752 --> 00:32:24,192 Americans working here in case it took 545 00:32:24,192 --> 00:32:25,872 work away English musicians and 546 00:32:25,872 --> 00:32:27,792 blackship in 547 00:32:27,792 --> 00:32:30,471 America we somehow got the fair together 548 00:32:30,471 --> 00:32:34,552 for me to go to New York and negotiate 549 00:32:34,552 --> 00:32:38,591 with the Petrillo organization which was 550 00:32:38,591 --> 00:32:40,951 the American Federation of mus 551 00:32:40,951 --> 00:32:44,392 Ians but being an East End boy I think 552 00:32:44,392 --> 00:32:46,672 they've kind of accepted 553 00:32:46,672 --> 00:32:50,111 me and they listened and eventually they 554 00:32:50,111 --> 00:32:52,471 turn around and said well if the British 555 00:32:52,471 --> 00:32:57,272 U are game for it then we 556 00:32:58,632 --> 00:33:01,552 are that's very unheralded what they did 557 00:33:01,552 --> 00:33:03,632 there the two of them fixing up those 558 00:33:03,632 --> 00:33:06,071 exchanges of musicians which opened the 559 00:33:06,071 --> 00:33:07,912 door to American musicians being able to 560 00:33:07,912 --> 00:33:09,312 come and play here more generally I 561 00:33:09,312 --> 00:33:10,231 think that's such a huge contri 562 00:33:10,231 --> 00:33:13,071 contribution to British 563 00:33:17,432 --> 00:33:20,032 music there was this Rock and Roll 564 00:33:20,032 --> 00:33:22,351 Explosion and then there were so many 565 00:33:22,351 --> 00:33:24,312 rock and roll bands English rock and 566 00:33:24,312 --> 00:33:26,351 roll bands going to America there was a 567 00:33:26,351 --> 00:33:29,991 backlog of American musicians due to 568 00:33:29,991 --> 00:33:32,792 us you know I mean the sex dists would 569 00:33:32,792 --> 00:33:35,471 go to America and we'd get Sunny rollet 570 00:33:35,471 --> 00:33:37,152 you know like the the bargain of the 571 00:33:37,152 --> 00:33:39,142 century 572 00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:44,741 [Music] 573 00:33:49,831 --> 00:33:53,392 I love my time in London when I played 574 00:33:53,392 --> 00:33:55,111 there at Ronnie 575 00:33:55,111 --> 00:33:59,792 Scots the club was a very special place 576 00:33:59,792 --> 00:34:03,032 the music uh it gets into the room the 577 00:34:03,032 --> 00:34:08,711 atmosphere you know it was magical 578 00:34:12,042 --> 00:34:39,472 [Music] 579 00:34:39,472 --> 00:34:42,071 oh a 580 00:34:42,071 --> 00:35:08,091 [Music] 581 00:35:10,872 --> 00:35:15,232 word of mouth was the forest fire and it 582 00:35:15,232 --> 00:35:18,672 got out so 583 00:35:18,672 --> 00:35:22,271 fast the place just filled it would be 584 00:35:22,271 --> 00:35:25,992 packed in there like a can of 585 00:35:27,192 --> 00:35:29,632 sardines it was the music that that 586 00:35:29,632 --> 00:35:31,752 fascinated me and the chance to sort of 587 00:35:31,752 --> 00:35:33,312 see some of the greates I'd only heard 588 00:35:33,312 --> 00:35:35,592 on 589 00:35:35,791 --> 00:35:38,392 radio the musicians were mostly Stone 590 00:35:38,392 --> 00:35:40,672 out the time and so was our the audience 591 00:35:40,672 --> 00:35:43,312 I think so there's a kind of a a link 592 00:35:43,312 --> 00:35:45,462 between us and 593 00:35:45,462 --> 00:35:49,312 [Music] 594 00:35:49,312 --> 00:35:51,791 them the one gig I really wish I'd have 595 00:35:51,791 --> 00:35:55,112 gone to was Ren Kirk and Ronnie Scotts I 596 00:35:55,112 --> 00:35:56,672 can't imagine how BR that would have 597 00:35:56,672 --> 00:35:59,472 been blind Roland Kirk with his Penny 598 00:35:59,472 --> 00:36:01,592 Whistle and his saxophones and playing 599 00:36:01,592 --> 00:36:03,511 all this stuff at the same time that 600 00:36:03,511 --> 00:36:05,152 would have been 601 00:36:05,152 --> 00:36:09,392 remarkable 1 2 1 2 3 4 602 00:36:09,392 --> 00:36:17,642 [Music] 603 00:36:17,642 --> 00:36:20,282 [Applause] 604 00:36:20,282 --> 00:36:32,592 [Music] 605 00:36:32,592 --> 00:36:33,862 it 606 00:36:33,862 --> 00:36:41,421 [Music] 607 00:36:46,292 --> 00:37:00,212 [Music] 608 00:37:04,592 --> 00:37:07,642 [Music] 609 00:37:08,511 --> 00:37:10,632 it was really a place for enthusiasts 610 00:37:10,632 --> 00:37:13,312 and it was very small the musicians 611 00:37:13,312 --> 00:37:15,192 coming into to play had to come down the 612 00:37:15,192 --> 00:37:16,672 spiral staircase and go through the 613 00:37:16,672 --> 00:37:18,192 crowd to get to the Band Stand which was 614 00:37:18,192 --> 00:37:20,432 at the other end I remember somebody 615 00:37:20,432 --> 00:37:21,712 telling me they heard Dexter Gordon 616 00:37:21,712 --> 00:37:23,432 playing there they were actually a foot 617 00:37:23,432 --> 00:37:25,152 away and the guy said he became 618 00:37:25,152 --> 00:37:26,511 fascinated by watching The Sweat 619 00:37:26,511 --> 00:37:27,992 dropping off Dexter Gordon's head and 620 00:37:27,992 --> 00:37:29,412 bouncing off his polished 621 00:37:29,412 --> 00:37:32,841 [Music] 622 00:37:34,872 --> 00:37:37,551 shoe one of the STS was the joint the 623 00:37:37,551 --> 00:37:41,271 goal I'd see Max Jones from Melody Maker 624 00:37:41,271 --> 00:37:42,992 meet me at the airport and we go to 625 00:37:42,992 --> 00:37:46,912 Ronnie Scots that's where I want to 626 00:37:49,511 --> 00:37:52,152 go it was great the atmosphere was 627 00:37:52,152 --> 00:37:53,992 wonderful the only thing is it wasn't 628 00:37:53,992 --> 00:37:56,952 big enough and so that's when they found 629 00:37:56,952 --> 00:38:00,432 the new place 630 00:38:10,422 --> 00:38:12,192 [Music] 631 00:38:12,192 --> 00:38:14,551 one of Ronnie's dreams was to bring in 632 00:38:14,551 --> 00:38:17,312 the big band which of course was utterly 633 00:38:17,312 --> 00:38:20,832 impossible in Gerard street so the 634 00:38:20,832 --> 00:38:23,551 decision was made yes he definitely had 635 00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:27,352 to move no two straws about 636 00:38:29,642 --> 00:38:36,312 [Music] 637 00:38:36,312 --> 00:38:39,312 it from that basement back room in Geral 638 00:38:39,312 --> 00:38:41,232 Street to three these stories in fth 639 00:38:41,232 --> 00:38:42,751 Street this was a big investment this 640 00:38:42,751 --> 00:38:45,072 was taking a big chance wasn't it yeah 641 00:38:45,072 --> 00:38:46,392 not for us so much because we didn't 642 00:38:46,392 --> 00:38:48,031 have any Capital anyway we borrowed the 643 00:38:48,031 --> 00:38:49,712 money which we're still paying back and 644 00:38:49,712 --> 00:38:53,112 which will probably be paying back 645 00:38:56,382 --> 00:38:58,551 [Music] 646 00:38:58,551 --> 00:39:01,712 forever this was a bigger venue and it 647 00:39:01,712 --> 00:39:04,751 also I suppose was closer to the idea of 648 00:39:04,751 --> 00:39:07,192 an American Jazz Club New York jazz club 649 00:39:07,192 --> 00:39:08,912 that Ronnie had had in his mind for so 650 00:39:08,912 --> 00:39:11,432 long even though they used to joke about 651 00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:13,271 the standard of their own kitchen you 652 00:39:13,271 --> 00:39:14,791 could get supper and it was a really 653 00:39:14,791 --> 00:39:17,392 nice place to 654 00:39:17,472 --> 00:39:20,072 be with frit Street the promises in frit 655 00:39:20,072 --> 00:39:22,072 street that we had was everybody was 656 00:39:22,072 --> 00:39:24,751 after it but there was a gangster by the 657 00:39:24,751 --> 00:39:27,511 name of Italian Albert dimes and Italian 658 00:39:27,511 --> 00:39:29,712 Albert made sure that we got 659 00:39:29,712 --> 00:39:33,872 it he made sure he made 660 00:39:34,271 --> 00:39:37,192 sure well Albert dimes was who was the 661 00:39:37,192 --> 00:39:40,592 kind of Godfather at that time 662 00:39:40,592 --> 00:39:44,672 and when we opened here he bought us a 663 00:39:44,672 --> 00:39:46,751 magnum of champagne in 664 00:39:46,751 --> 00:39:49,592 1965 he bought us a magnum of champagne 665 00:39:49,592 --> 00:39:53,232 over there and uh he said when you're 666 00:39:53,232 --> 00:39:55,952 out of debt open the bottle you know 667 00:39:55,952 --> 00:39:57,912 it's still unopen you 668 00:39:57,912 --> 00:40:00,751 know he used to come in the club after 669 00:40:00,751 --> 00:40:03,112 that and he would always pay to come in 670 00:40:03,112 --> 00:40:04,472 always pay for his food and Ronnie would 671 00:40:04,472 --> 00:40:06,232 occasionally send him a bottle of wine 672 00:40:06,232 --> 00:40:07,832 which he would accept he didn't want 673 00:40:07,832 --> 00:40:10,271 anything he liked us but help me if he 674 00:40:10,271 --> 00:40:12,352 didn't like you I was in there one 675 00:40:12,352 --> 00:40:14,672 Monday afternoon with Pete and Ronnie 676 00:40:14,672 --> 00:40:16,271 and we were discussing business which by 677 00:40:16,271 --> 00:40:19,112 then wasn't too bad and a couple of I 678 00:40:19,112 --> 00:40:20,832 can only describe them as herberts came 679 00:40:20,832 --> 00:40:22,511 in and said they wanted to sell us 680 00:40:22,511 --> 00:40:25,192 protection and for £200 a week they'd 681 00:40:25,192 --> 00:40:26,432 make sure we never got any kind of 682 00:40:26,432 --> 00:40:28,192 trouble at all and Ronnie said that's a 683 00:40:28,192 --> 00:40:29,872 good price but I would have to take it 684 00:40:29,872 --> 00:40:32,432 up with our other partner Italian Albert 685 00:40:32,432 --> 00:40:34,352 well those guys turned around and they 686 00:40:34,352 --> 00:40:36,672 were out of the door so fast you 687 00:40:36,672 --> 00:40:38,902 couldn't say their asses for dust 688 00:40:38,902 --> 00:41:16,392 [Music] 689 00:41:16,392 --> 00:41:19,192 wonderful times Christ you know you 690 00:41:19,192 --> 00:41:22,192 think of the big bands that worked here 691 00:41:22,192 --> 00:41:24,832 bisy worked here with a big band Buddy 692 00:41:24,832 --> 00:41:28,152 Rich on many 693 00:41:29,551 --> 00:41:32,672 occasions bu is is fantastic I mean 694 00:41:32,672 --> 00:41:35,232 quite incredible it's wonderful to watch 695 00:41:35,232 --> 00:41:36,912 the faces of drummers when they come to 696 00:41:36,912 --> 00:41:38,392 listen to Buddy at the club you they 697 00:41:38,392 --> 00:41:41,672 just don't believe it 698 00:41:48,782 --> 00:42:17,252 [Music] 699 00:42:19,562 --> 00:42:33,721 [Music] 700 00:42:37,622 --> 00:42:41,192 [Music] 701 00:42:44,672 --> 00:42:47,672 w 702 00:42:49,062 --> 00:42:52,192 [Music] 703 00:42:56,642 --> 00:42:59,732 [Music] 704 00:43:02,392 --> 00:43:19,472 [Music] 705 00:43:19,472 --> 00:43:20,991 the musicians knew that whenever they 706 00:43:20,991 --> 00:43:23,072 walked into that club that they were 707 00:43:23,072 --> 00:43:25,392 taken care of people were excited to 708 00:43:25,392 --> 00:43:27,232 perform because they knew the red carpet 709 00:43:27,232 --> 00:43:29,472 was rolled out for 710 00:43:29,472 --> 00:43:33,271 them Pete was so enthusiastic about his 711 00:43:33,271 --> 00:43:36,791 his dream to have a 712 00:43:38,112 --> 00:43:40,551 club you tell tell me about it he says 713 00:43:40,551 --> 00:43:41,791 you got to come down you got to come 714 00:43:41,791 --> 00:43:45,872 down to see it he just was inth with the 715 00:43:45,872 --> 00:43:50,432 music he used to sit there like a 716 00:43:53,912 --> 00:43:57,072 kid well there's a bit like seeing a 717 00:43:57,072 --> 00:44:00,912 statu move really when I saw Sarah vau 718 00:44:00,912 --> 00:44:03,312 down there I mean I couldn't believe 719 00:44:03,312 --> 00:44:04,712 this was Sarah 720 00:44:04,712 --> 00:44:07,472 [Music] 721 00:44:07,472 --> 00:44:11,072 born see 722 00:44:11,072 --> 00:44:14,791 like Passing Strangers 723 00:44:15,551 --> 00:44:19,452 now how can you 724 00:44:19,452 --> 00:44:22,592 [Music] 725 00:44:22,592 --> 00:44:24,832 hry 726 00:44:24,832 --> 00:44:28,632 there the two 727 00:44:28,632 --> 00:44:30,832 love half as 728 00:44:30,832 --> 00:44:33,152 much as you and 729 00:44:33,152 --> 00:44:35,392 [Music] 730 00:44:35,392 --> 00:44:42,511 I we seem like Ping changes 731 00:44:42,511 --> 00:44:48,422 now funny how things have 732 00:44:48,422 --> 00:44:50,152 [Music] 733 00:44:50,152 --> 00:44:54,422 changed you are so 734 00:44:54,422 --> 00:44:57,952 [Music] 735 00:44:57,952 --> 00:45:02,551 Inseparable now you're acting Mighty 736 00:45:02,551 --> 00:45:05,912 strange the 737 00:45:05,952 --> 00:45:11,472 hands I used to touch 738 00:45:11,632 --> 00:45:14,172 don't 739 00:45:14,172 --> 00:45:18,712 [Music] 740 00:45:18,712 --> 00:45:24,112 even how I miss your kiss 741 00:45:24,112 --> 00:45:26,642 you never 742 00:45:26,642 --> 00:45:30,161 [Music] 743 00:45:31,472 --> 00:45:34,872 know if 744 00:45:35,232 --> 00:45:38,192 [Music] 745 00:45:38,192 --> 00:45:41,632 you as Ronn developed and more American 746 00:45:41,632 --> 00:45:43,551 players came over and the British 747 00:45:43,551 --> 00:45:45,392 players got used to playing alongside 748 00:45:45,392 --> 00:45:47,991 them and in many cases accompanying them 749 00:45:47,991 --> 00:45:50,472 I think it very quickly rubbed off and I 750 00:45:50,472 --> 00:45:52,271 think it it brought the standards of 751 00:45:52,271 --> 00:45:55,152 British Jazz up to a new level it rais 752 00:45:55,152 --> 00:45:57,991 the bar and I think they learned very 753 00:45:57,991 --> 00:46:00,271 quickly most of the musicians I know are 754 00:46:00,271 --> 00:46:02,791 really very self-conscious and and 755 00:46:02,791 --> 00:46:04,632 nervous and concerned about their 756 00:46:04,632 --> 00:46:06,952 playing it is their life most Jazz are 757 00:46:06,952 --> 00:46:09,551 very dedicated people 758 00:46:09,551 --> 00:46:12,672 and um once they've done their bit which 759 00:46:12,672 --> 00:46:16,152 is a you know as I say it's a it's a 760 00:46:16,152 --> 00:46:18,912 really a a terribly difficult thing to 761 00:46:18,912 --> 00:46:20,912 try and improvise something new every 762 00:46:20,912 --> 00:46:22,312 time you go 763 00:46:22,312 --> 00:46:24,592 on once they've done that bit it it 764 00:46:24,592 --> 00:46:28,511 takes a great deal out of them 765 00:46:28,672 --> 00:46:31,392 mentally it was a chance to see somebody 766 00:46:31,392 --> 00:46:34,192 who is flying close to the Sun you know 767 00:46:34,192 --> 00:46:36,271 they knew their instrument but it's what 768 00:46:36,271 --> 00:46:39,872 they said with it that was fantastic 769 00:46:39,872 --> 00:46:41,872 that's what brought the punters in 770 00:46:41,872 --> 00:46:43,751 because they were seeing something and 771 00:46:43,751 --> 00:46:45,952 listening to something which was 772 00:46:45,952 --> 00:46:47,952 extraordinary now one of the great 773 00:46:47,952 --> 00:46:51,031 enigmas in modern Jazz Miles Davis he's 774 00:46:51,031 --> 00:46:52,632 here with Wayne shter on the saxophone 775 00:46:52,632 --> 00:46:54,672 chick ker at the piano Jack de jonette 776 00:46:54,672 --> 00:46:56,472 on the drums and Dave Holland on the 777 00:46:56,472 --> 00:46:58,432 base who miles first heard working down 778 00:46:58,432 --> 00:46:59,952 here and booked him to play with the 779 00:46:59,952 --> 00:47:02,952 Quintet 780 00:47:04,442 --> 00:47:17,751 [Music] 781 00:47:17,751 --> 00:47:19,522 a 782 00:47:19,522 --> 00:48:12,721 [Music] 783 00:48:13,192 --> 00:48:15,112 for almost 20 years this club has been 784 00:48:15,112 --> 00:48:17,791 providing great jazz every night of the 785 00:48:17,791 --> 00:48:20,872 week at first it had a local Fame then 786 00:48:20,872 --> 00:48:22,791 it became nationally famous and now it 787 00:48:22,791 --> 00:48:25,152 holds a unique position it's 788 00:48:25,152 --> 00:48:28,072 internationally famous as the Bas for 789 00:48:28,072 --> 00:48:31,272 the best in modern jazz 790 00:48:31,272 --> 00:49:00,312 [Music] 791 00:49:01,632 --> 00:49:05,712 hello Ronnie Scot Club yes we're open 792 00:49:05,712 --> 00:49:08,392 tonight what time uh do we open well 793 00:49:08,392 --> 00:49:11,152 what time can you get here 794 00:49:11,152 --> 00:49:12,592 now you can wear what you like just wear 795 00:49:12,592 --> 00:49:15,551 a tie nothing else just a 796 00:49:15,551 --> 00:49:18,052 tie okay 797 00:49:18,052 --> 00:49:21,122 [Music] 798 00:49:24,672 --> 00:49:29,912 bye-bye it's a little nest of Happiness 799 00:49:29,912 --> 00:49:33,592 all the uh the recent wounds are all 800 00:49:33,592 --> 00:49:36,031 healed here at Ronny Scots because 801 00:49:36,031 --> 00:49:37,312 there's always somebody blowing 802 00:49:37,312 --> 00:49:39,991 something beautiful and talking the kind 803 00:49:39,991 --> 00:49:41,072 of 804 00:49:41,072 --> 00:49:45,152 uh unconscious poetry that that only 805 00:49:45,152 --> 00:49:48,271 good music can speak to 806 00:49:48,271 --> 00:49:51,112 you they never set out to have the one 807 00:49:51,112 --> 00:49:53,112 of the greatest jazz clubs in the world 808 00:49:53,112 --> 00:49:55,672 that wasn't they just looked at it as 809 00:49:55,672 --> 00:49:58,352 though I can go in there I can sit I can 810 00:49:58,352 --> 00:50:01,352 talk I can play I can listen it was 811 00:50:01,352 --> 00:50:03,912 never about the money at 812 00:50:03,912 --> 00:50:06,632 all I'm not surprised they didn't make 813 00:50:06,632 --> 00:50:08,912 any money because all these people I met 814 00:50:08,912 --> 00:50:10,991 they oh yes I went down there took my 815 00:50:10,991 --> 00:50:13,392 mom and dad and so and so down there 816 00:50:13,392 --> 00:50:16,432 meals on the house booze on the house 817 00:50:16,432 --> 00:50:19,072 they were so generous and and again and 818 00:50:19,072 --> 00:50:22,592 again I heard this from people p you say 819 00:50:22,592 --> 00:50:25,672 well your family ain't 820 00:50:27,392 --> 00:50:30,832 you it had a jazz musician's Vibe about 821 00:50:30,832 --> 00:50:32,592 it they'd take the piss out of you going 822 00:50:32,592 --> 00:50:35,392 in the door what are you doing 823 00:50:35,392 --> 00:50:37,912 here just that they couldn't be bothered 824 00:50:37,912 --> 00:50:39,472 off the time but the staff in the club 825 00:50:39,472 --> 00:50:41,432 had that similar attitude they were all 826 00:50:41,432 --> 00:50:43,042 there 827 00:50:43,042 --> 00:50:50,222 [Music] 828 00:50:51,592 --> 00:50:52,952 loyal 829 00:50:52,952 --> 00:50:54,551 [Music] 830 00:50:54,551 --> 00:50:57,312 we we 831 00:50:57,312 --> 00:51:00,602 shall change to 832 00:51:00,602 --> 00:51:03,031 [Music] 833 00:51:03,031 --> 00:51:06,551 imortality I'll show you a 834 00:51:06,551 --> 00:51:12,551 my we shall not all see yeah but be 835 00:51:14,551 --> 00:51:17,031 Chang yes I tell 836 00:51:17,031 --> 00:51:20,072 you CH I want to do you know 837 00:51:20,072 --> 00:51:24,751 that CH every last one of us 838 00:51:26,362 --> 00:51:27,592 [Music] 839 00:51:27,592 --> 00:51:31,392 change do you feel all right right 840 00:51:31,392 --> 00:51:33,752 now all right 841 00:51:33,752 --> 00:51:35,292 [Applause] 842 00:51:35,292 --> 00:51:38,321 [Music] 843 00:51:39,432 --> 00:51:43,312 all right holy ghost is here right 844 00:51:43,312 --> 00:51:46,231 now holy ghost is here right 845 00:51:46,231 --> 00:51:49,712 now the Holy 846 00:51:52,031 --> 00:51:54,782 Ghost we shall be 847 00:51:54,782 --> 00:51:56,672 [Music] 848 00:51:56,672 --> 00:52:01,092 CH I know going to 849 00:52:01,092 --> 00:52:03,952 [Music] 850 00:52:03,952 --> 00:52:05,472 be 851 00:52:05,472 --> 00:52:08,352 ch ch 852 00:52:08,352 --> 00:52:18,201 [Music] 853 00:52:19,112 --> 00:52:21,112 Scots was a 854 00:52:21,112 --> 00:52:24,592 family everybody work there usually work 855 00:52:24,592 --> 00:52:26,952 there for a long time you you felt you 856 00:52:26,952 --> 00:52:30,072 belong to that it was very special it 857 00:52:30,072 --> 00:52:34,392 was unique it was just one 858 00:52:35,392 --> 00:52:38,952 club the club was home and the music was 859 00:52:38,952 --> 00:52:40,632 what he felt most comfortable doing and 860 00:52:40,632 --> 00:52:41,872 happiest 861 00:52:41,872 --> 00:52:44,472 doing has it become 862 00:52:44,472 --> 00:52:47,392 almost an extension of yourself like an 863 00:52:47,392 --> 00:52:51,112 extra arm or an extra head that the club 864 00:52:51,112 --> 00:52:53,511 has become part of your body I think it 865 00:52:53,511 --> 00:52:56,072 has I mean 20 years is a long I mean 866 00:52:56,072 --> 00:52:57,112 that's that's more than the Train 867 00:52:57,112 --> 00:52:59,712 Robbers 868 00:53:01,511 --> 00:53:04,592 go you a a very unusual case Ronnie 869 00:53:04,592 --> 00:53:05,672 because you're one of the very few 870 00:53:05,672 --> 00:53:08,112 people in this world and certainly in 871 00:53:08,112 --> 00:53:09,551 the successful way that have been able 872 00:53:09,551 --> 00:53:12,152 to remain a jazz player and run a 873 00:53:12,152 --> 00:53:15,312 nightclub yeah well it's I I I'm very 874 00:53:15,312 --> 00:53:17,511 lucky there because uh I have a partner 875 00:53:17,511 --> 00:53:19,432 who handles the business side of things 876 00:53:19,432 --> 00:53:22,031 you know and that leaves me free to to 877 00:53:22,031 --> 00:53:25,991 play and uh and to uh kind of compare 878 00:53:25,991 --> 00:53:28,872 the proceedings and um and it really 879 00:53:28,872 --> 00:53:30,392 works very well because I have the best 880 00:53:30,392 --> 00:53:32,832 of both 881 00:53:32,832 --> 00:53:36,271 worlds I used to call them Lauren and 882 00:53:36,271 --> 00:53:38,991 Hardy cuz they were absolutely great 883 00:53:38,991 --> 00:53:41,592 great working together it was a lovely 884 00:53:41,592 --> 00:53:45,912 friendship and fun it was good 885 00:53:45,912 --> 00:53:48,271 fun the relationship between Pete King 886 00:53:48,271 --> 00:53:50,352 and Ronnie is absolutely crucial to the 887 00:53:50,352 --> 00:53:51,832 longevity of the 888 00:53:51,832 --> 00:53:53,712 club I've always thought it was 889 00:53:53,712 --> 00:53:55,072 important that they were both great 890 00:53:55,072 --> 00:53:57,672 friends as well as as having this 891 00:53:57,672 --> 00:54:00,432 obsessive common 892 00:54:00,432 --> 00:54:03,672 interest we're totally different 893 00:54:03,672 --> 00:54:06,472 characters and you've got to 894 00:54:06,472 --> 00:54:10,231 be the best of friends 895 00:54:10,231 --> 00:54:13,392 Ronnie is my best 896 00:54:13,392 --> 00:54:16,271 friend Pete was um quite hard to get to 897 00:54:16,271 --> 00:54:18,712 know I mean he was came was a very rough 898 00:54:18,712 --> 00:54:21,791 character quite rough diamond you know 899 00:54:21,791 --> 00:54:23,192 he could be a gangster in another 900 00:54:23,192 --> 00:54:25,712 situation I think cuz he he didn't 901 00:54:25,712 --> 00:54:28,231 suffer fors 902 00:54:28,231 --> 00:54:31,031 gladly he took no [ __ ] my father and he 903 00:54:31,031 --> 00:54:32,872 was respected for that so no one mess 904 00:54:32,872 --> 00:54:35,432 with him yeah he was a very sarcastic 905 00:54:35,432 --> 00:54:38,072 man and you if you didn't know him you 906 00:54:38,072 --> 00:54:40,672 would think that he's having to got you 907 00:54:40,672 --> 00:54:45,192 but it is his way of being 908 00:54:46,152 --> 00:54:48,551 nice people used to say to me how can 909 00:54:48,551 --> 00:54:52,511 you put up with him he's so Gruff but I 910 00:54:52,511 --> 00:54:54,991 said no he's not he's a [ __ ] cat cuz he 911 00:54:54,991 --> 00:54:56,712 was to 912 00:54:56,712 --> 00:54:59,472 me and then when I used to hear him talk 913 00:54:59,472 --> 00:55:02,112 to some people I think oh God you know 914 00:55:02,112 --> 00:55:04,152 how can you say that happened but that 915 00:55:04,152 --> 00:55:06,551 was Pete there was no front with him it 916 00:55:06,551 --> 00:55:09,712 was just straight to the point 917 00:55:09,712 --> 00:55:12,192 if it had been soft he would never have 918 00:55:12,192 --> 00:55:14,791 got where he 919 00:55:14,952 --> 00:55:18,031 got the running of the establishment I'm 920 00:55:18,031 --> 00:55:20,751 sure Ronnie would tell you it's 921 00:55:20,751 --> 00:55:22,991 difficult for me to say but it does fall 922 00:55:22,991 --> 00:55:25,551 upon my 923 00:55:25,791 --> 00:55:28,472 shoulders it was in a way like a 924 00:55:28,472 --> 00:55:30,712 marriage you know they'd fall out and 925 00:55:30,712 --> 00:55:33,832 they get back together again I mean 926 00:55:33,832 --> 00:55:36,592 sometimes Pete's come home and said that 927 00:55:36,592 --> 00:55:39,712 Ronny I'm going to kill him he's so 928 00:55:39,712 --> 00:55:42,031 bloody awkward because he used to take 929 00:55:42,031 --> 00:55:44,751 the Takin and go out and gamble if 930 00:55:44,751 --> 00:55:47,592 Ronnie could gamble the club away he 931 00:55:47,592 --> 00:55:49,672 would have 932 00:55:49,672 --> 00:55:52,072 done Pete was the one that kept him 933 00:55:52,072 --> 00:55:55,471 under control well he tried 934 00:55:55,471 --> 00:55:58,152 anyway I don't think he succeeded very 935 00:55:58,152 --> 00:56:01,912 well but there was always money troubles 936 00:56:01,912 --> 00:56:05,551 there there were times when you thought 937 00:56:05,551 --> 00:56:08,112 oh good lord I think we might have 938 00:56:08,112 --> 00:56:11,031 cracked it this time and no sooner you 939 00:56:11,031 --> 00:56:14,991 think that oh and it looked as though we 940 00:56:14,991 --> 00:56:16,632 were going to have to pack it 941 00:56:16,632 --> 00:56:19,672 in I remember when the chain was going 942 00:56:19,672 --> 00:56:21,672 to go on the door and the accountant 943 00:56:21,672 --> 00:56:23,432 turned around to Ronnie and we were 944 00:56:23,432 --> 00:56:25,551 having this sort of final crunch meeting 945 00:56:25,551 --> 00:56:27,632 and the accountant said look you got to 946 00:56:27,632 --> 00:56:29,872 stop and Ronnie looked at me and said 947 00:56:29,872 --> 00:56:31,791 what do we do 948 00:56:31,791 --> 00:56:34,352 Pete when things were really desperate 949 00:56:34,352 --> 00:56:35,991 you know I used to come to work and 950 00:56:35,991 --> 00:56:38,751 there were guys in suits uh uh and 951 00:56:38,751 --> 00:56:41,112 notebooks there in the afternoon walking 952 00:56:41,112 --> 00:56:43,031 around uh making notes of how much the 953 00:56:43,031 --> 00:56:44,632 piano was worth and how much the tables 954 00:56:44,632 --> 00:56:46,312 and chairs were worth and stuff like 955 00:56:46,312 --> 00:56:48,952 that must have been horrifying it was 956 00:56:48,952 --> 00:56:51,592 and we were very close to just having to 957 00:56:51,592 --> 00:56:54,152 forget it 958 00:56:59,152 --> 00:57:01,392 all they were putting up Christmas 959 00:57:01,392 --> 00:57:03,872 decorations and Pete was wandering 960 00:57:03,872 --> 00:57:05,751 around with a hammer on and a ladder 961 00:57:05,751 --> 00:57:08,352 doing things and Chris Blackwell came in 962 00:57:08,352 --> 00:57:09,271 they said 963 00:57:09,271 --> 00:57:12,672 P what's what's this about the clubs in 964 00:57:12,672 --> 00:57:15,511 financial trouble well most clubs are 965 00:57:15,511 --> 00:57:17,352 there's a hell of a recession going on 966 00:57:17,352 --> 00:57:19,192 at the moment you 967 00:57:19,192 --> 00:57:22,751 know uh he said um how how much trouble 968 00:57:22,751 --> 00:57:25,432 I said £100,000 we were if we want it he 969 00:57:25,432 --> 00:57:26,991 said are you going to run it like you've 970 00:57:26,991 --> 00:57:29,072 always run it so I said well we don't 971 00:57:29,072 --> 00:57:30,791 know any other 972 00:57:30,791 --> 00:57:34,551 way so he said put me down for 973 00:57:34,551 --> 00:57:37,471 25 well I'd heard they were getting into 974 00:57:37,471 --> 00:57:40,231 some difficulties and I love the club I 975 00:57:40,231 --> 00:57:42,392 love jazz I just wanted to do what I 976 00:57:42,392 --> 00:57:44,912 could to keep it alive you know that 977 00:57:44,912 --> 00:57:47,231 place has to stay 978 00:57:47,231 --> 00:57:50,112 alive I think they were really surprised 979 00:57:50,112 --> 00:57:51,672 by how much everybody wanted them to 980 00:57:51,672 --> 00:57:52,511 stick 981 00:57:52,511 --> 00:57:54,952 around there was someone who said to 982 00:57:54,952 --> 00:57:57,832 Pete at the time if you'd been better 983 00:57:57,832 --> 00:57:59,432 businessmen this wouldn't have happened 984 00:57:59,432 --> 00:58:01,432 to you and Pete said if we've been 985 00:58:01,432 --> 00:58:02,632 better businessmen we wouldn't have 986 00:58:02,632 --> 00:58:07,112 started a jazz club in the first place 987 00:58:12,042 --> 00:58:15,181 [Music] 988 00:58:18,832 --> 00:58:22,121 [Music] 989 00:58:25,152 --> 00:58:27,112 they have a very casual attitude towards 990 00:58:27,112 --> 00:58:30,672 the customers but a very rigid attitude 991 00:58:30,672 --> 00:58:33,632 towards what they have an offer they 992 00:58:33,632 --> 00:58:38,192 just won't offer total mediocrity or 993 00:58:38,192 --> 00:58:40,872 [ __ ] tell Jazz and I think that 994 00:58:40,872 --> 00:58:44,031 impresses people I think they come here 995 00:58:44,031 --> 00:58:46,672 because they really like and Trust what 996 00:58:46,672 --> 00:58:48,471 R is going to give 997 00:58:48,471 --> 00:58:50,912 them I'd like to see the music business 998 00:58:50,912 --> 00:58:53,192 in such a a position that one could put 999 00:58:53,192 --> 00:58:55,912 on for instance someone like Donovan in 1000 00:58:55,912 --> 00:58:58,352 the main room and it was at the Gary 1001 00:58:58,352 --> 00:59:01,471 Burton quartet and upstairs the discoe 1002 00:59:01,471 --> 00:59:02,991 would play good pop music and I'm 1003 00:59:02,991 --> 00:59:04,751 convinced that that this is where the 1004 00:59:04,751 --> 00:59:08,152 future of jazz lies in appealing to uh 1005 00:59:08,152 --> 00:59:10,751 the people like pop music you know and 1006 00:59:10,751 --> 00:59:12,231 I'm sure this is possible because there 1007 00:59:12,231 --> 00:59:14,072 are so many pop groups now especially 1008 00:59:14,072 --> 00:59:15,352 the forward looking ones that are 1009 00:59:15,352 --> 00:59:17,672 playing jazz whether they think so or 1010 00:59:17,672 --> 00:59:20,632 they realize it or not they 1011 00:59:20,632 --> 00:59:23,632 are to recall what happened that night 1012 00:59:23,632 --> 00:59:26,231 at uh Ronnie Scott was a magical night 1013 00:59:26,231 --> 00:59:29,192 and I'll never forget 1014 00:59:29,471 --> 00:59:32,672 it we were booked at um Ronnie Scotts 1015 00:59:32,672 --> 00:59:35,152 with Eric Burton and War this is 1016 00:59:35,152 --> 00:59:36,791 probably one of the hottest bands in 1017 00:59:36,791 --> 00:59:40,031 London at the time we were on 1018 00:59:40,031 --> 00:59:42,031 I went down on the 1019 00:59:42,031 --> 00:59:44,231 Wednesday whenever I was going to a 1020 00:59:44,231 --> 00:59:46,751 decent gig I was like get a tght 1021 00:59:46,751 --> 00:59:48,791 recording of 1022 00:59:48,791 --> 00:59:52,392 it got my recorder in the bag and I set 1023 00:59:52,392 --> 00:59:55,672 it all up War come 1024 00:59:55,672 --> 00:59:58,271 on he said one of our friends want to 1025 00:59:58,271 --> 01:00:00,991 come and join 1026 01:00:01,312 --> 01:00:04,872 in Jimmy Hendrick came in I was down on 1027 01:00:04,872 --> 01:00:06,832 stage and I saw him out in the 1028 01:00:06,832 --> 01:00:09,312 audience and he had a Strat in his hand 1029 01:00:09,312 --> 01:00:10,872 he was coming toward the stage and I 1030 01:00:10,872 --> 01:00:13,592 noticed his eyes just so white and wide 1031 01:00:13,592 --> 01:00:16,991 open you know he was ready to 1032 01:00:16,991 --> 01:00:19,991 play we started jamming a song called a 1033 01:00:19,991 --> 01:00:22,712 Mother Earth was was this hardcore Blues 1034 01:00:22,712 --> 01:00:25,352 Jimmy lit into a guitar solo I mean me 1035 01:00:25,352 --> 01:00:26,991 and Jimmy were just cutting the place up 1036 01:00:26,991 --> 01:00:28,511 we were tearing it up me and him back 1037 01:00:28,511 --> 01:00:33,031 and forth back and forth great night 1038 01:00:33,392 --> 01:00:53,341 [Music] 1039 01:00:54,672 --> 01:00:57,031 that night at Ronnie's my feet weren't 1040 01:00:57,031 --> 01:00:58,592 touching the 1041 01:00:58,592 --> 01:01:01,352 ground the next night we got word that 1042 01:01:01,352 --> 01:01:04,471 after the set jimm had died it was 1043 01:01:04,471 --> 01:01:06,152 terrible terrible thought like that and 1044 01:01:06,152 --> 01:01:10,352 I was last guitars play with him 1045 01:01:13,672 --> 01:01:14,462 [Applause] 1046 01:01:14,462 --> 01:01:17,031 [Music] 1047 01:01:17,031 --> 01:01:19,312 when people started coming to Ronnie 1048 01:01:19,312 --> 01:01:21,672 Scotts in fris street because it was a 1049 01:01:21,672 --> 01:01:24,511 kind of hip slightly risque West End 1050 01:01:24,511 --> 01:01:26,471 nightclub I think that meant then that 1051 01:01:26,471 --> 01:01:29,231 they had to offer them something more 1052 01:01:29,231 --> 01:01:31,031 and Ronnie who was an absolutely natural 1053 01:01:31,031 --> 01:01:33,672 comic and had been the front man right 1054 01:01:33,672 --> 01:01:35,832 from the beginning in a way but in fris 1055 01:01:35,832 --> 01:01:38,352 Street his role as the announcer and the 1056 01:01:38,352 --> 01:01:41,072 extremely funny MC 1057 01:01:41,072 --> 01:01:44,592 expanded sh quiet please Ron is 1058 01:01:44,592 --> 01:01:47,192 talking fell loses his dog puts an 1059 01:01:47,192 --> 01:01:50,991 advert in the paper here 1060 01:01:54,602 --> 01:01:59,641 [Applause] 1061 01:02:00,751 --> 01:02:03,112 boy joke was good enough for my father 1062 01:02:03,112 --> 01:02:04,312 is good enough for 1063 01:02:04,312 --> 01:02:06,832 me I think it's nice to kind of loosen 1064 01:02:06,832 --> 01:02:09,952 an audience up by being kind of humorous 1065 01:02:09,952 --> 01:02:14,511 or as humorous as you can be um but uh 1066 01:02:14,511 --> 01:02:16,471 you a lot of people say they enjoy the 1067 01:02:16,471 --> 01:02:19,312 jokes but the bad joke we're very 1068 01:02:19,312 --> 01:02:21,791 fortunate to have in the band one of the 1069 01:02:21,791 --> 01:02:23,832 best bass players in the 1070 01:02:23,832 --> 01:02:26,912 world unfortunately can't be with us 1071 01:02:26,912 --> 01:02:29,192 tonight he always looked as if he was 1072 01:02:29,192 --> 01:02:30,872 waiting for something nice to happen and 1073 01:02:30,872 --> 01:02:32,511 it wasn't going to happen he had that 1074 01:02:32,511 --> 01:02:37,632 look about him but he was Bloody funny 1075 01:02:39,711 --> 01:02:42,231 you can't travel on tour with musicians 1076 01:02:42,231 --> 01:02:43,991 half your life and not pick up some kind 1077 01:02:43,991 --> 01:02:44,832 of 1078 01:02:44,832 --> 01:02:47,991 routine but musicians are you know are 1079 01:02:47,991 --> 01:02:49,991 very humorous people I don't know why it 1080 01:02:49,991 --> 01:02:53,511 is but it's something to do with uh I 1081 01:02:53,511 --> 01:02:54,912 don't know you know if you're traveling 1082 01:02:54,912 --> 01:02:56,632 in a coach for for hundreds of miles if 1083 01:02:56,632 --> 01:02:59,231 you don't you know have a sense of humor 1084 01:02:59,231 --> 01:03:01,112 it can drive you completely Bonkers you 1085 01:03:01,112 --> 01:03:03,511 know so there is a lot of humor amongst 1086 01:03:03,511 --> 01:03:06,072 amongst musicians it's slightly sardonic 1087 01:03:06,072 --> 01:03:09,112 humor isly cruel humor yes yes the the 1088 01:03:09,112 --> 01:03:10,952 the the the typical example of that kind 1089 01:03:10,952 --> 01:03:12,991 of I always think of is you know this 1090 01:03:12,991 --> 01:03:14,872 trumpet player wingy manone in America 1091 01:03:14,872 --> 01:03:16,751 very fine trumpet he's only got one arm 1092 01:03:16,751 --> 01:03:19,632 consequently Wing him know and uh he's 1093 01:03:19,632 --> 01:03:21,471 very friendly with PE Russell and every 1094 01:03:21,471 --> 01:03:25,751 Christmas PE Russell sends him one 1095 01:03:27,672 --> 01:03:29,672 cuffing do you regret that you're 1096 01:03:29,672 --> 01:03:31,471 perhaps now as famous for your appalling 1097 01:03:31,471 --> 01:03:33,031 jokes as you are for your magnificent 1098 01:03:33,031 --> 01:03:34,392 saxophone 1099 01:03:34,392 --> 01:03:36,952 play well I do in a way because really 1100 01:03:36,952 --> 01:03:38,471 as far as I'm concerned that joke is 1101 01:03:38,471 --> 01:03:39,991 just kind of a hobby I mean other guys 1102 01:03:39,991 --> 01:03:41,991 have make model airplanes and stuff like 1103 01:03:41,991 --> 01:03:44,031 that and I try and do a 10-minute 1104 01:03:44,031 --> 01:03:48,172 standup spot and and it's just a hobby 1105 01:03:48,172 --> 01:04:11,832 [Music] 1106 01:04:11,832 --> 01:04:14,952 I got to tell you there was a TV quiz 1107 01:04:14,952 --> 01:04:17,991 program few weeks ago and one of the 1108 01:04:17,991 --> 01:04:19,872 questions was what instrument does 1109 01:04:19,872 --> 01:04:22,231 Ronnie Scott play and there were four 1110 01:04:22,231 --> 01:04:24,832 people answering questions on this quiz 1111 01:04:24,832 --> 01:04:25,952 one said the 1112 01:04:25,952 --> 01:04:30,031 trombone one said the drums one said the 1113 01:04:30,031 --> 01:04:33,632 banjo and one said the Pian so I don't 1114 01:04:33,632 --> 01:04:36,672 know how well known I am as far as I'm 1115 01:04:36,672 --> 01:04:39,152 concerned I still feel that I'm a 1116 01:04:39,152 --> 01:04:42,672 saxophone player some people thought of 1117 01:04:42,672 --> 01:04:45,711 him as a funny man they didn't mention 1118 01:04:45,711 --> 01:04:48,432 him as a musician and that could really 1119 01:04:48,432 --> 01:04:51,072 upset him because he wanted to be known 1120 01:04:51,072 --> 01:04:54,112 as a musician not the clown that's going 1121 01:04:54,112 --> 01:04:56,672 to introduce the 1122 01:04:56,672 --> 01:04:58,991 musicians there was something there 1123 01:04:58,991 --> 01:05:01,672 which was imponderable basically and you 1124 01:05:01,672 --> 01:05:03,711 know in those D didn't have the time nor 1125 01:05:03,711 --> 01:05:05,471 he had the inclination to discuss what 1126 01:05:05,471 --> 01:05:08,912 it might be 1127 01:05:09,751 --> 01:05:12,991 his vision of himself was so self 1128 01:05:12,991 --> 01:05:15,471 effacing that it was 1129 01:05:15,471 --> 01:05:18,711 destructive he couldn't see that the 1130 01:05:18,711 --> 01:05:21,832 humor that he brought to the people was 1131 01:05:21,832 --> 01:05:24,271 clearly distinctly important to the 1132 01:05:24,271 --> 01:05:27,912 audience he saw it as a buffoon making a 1133 01:05:27,912 --> 01:05:29,552 fool of himself on the 1134 01:05:29,552 --> 01:05:32,631 [Music] 1135 01:05:32,832 --> 01:05:37,991 stage isn't rich 1136 01:05:38,711 --> 01:05:42,112 aren't we up 1137 01:05:42,872 --> 01:05:47,751 here me finally here on the 1138 01:05:47,751 --> 01:05:51,372 ground and you 1139 01:05:51,372 --> 01:05:53,112 [Music] 1140 01:05:53,112 --> 01:05:57,711 in send in the 1141 01:05:58,312 --> 01:06:02,471 clowns send in the 1142 01:06:03,192 --> 01:06:08,632 clowns is a little BL 1143 01:06:09,432 --> 01:06:12,231 don't you 1144 01:06:13,152 --> 01:06:17,312 approve one who keeps standing 1145 01:06:17,312 --> 01:06:19,912 around and 1146 01:06:19,912 --> 01:06:23,432 one who can't 1147 01:06:23,432 --> 01:06:28,432 move send in the 1148 01:06:28,791 --> 01:06:32,912 CLS send in the 1149 01:06:33,872 --> 01:06:38,632 clouds just when I saw 1150 01:06:39,751 --> 01:06:42,672 opening 1151 01:06:43,352 --> 01:06:47,791 doors finally knowing the one that I 1152 01:06:47,791 --> 01:06:50,912 want it was 1153 01:06:51,711 --> 01:06:54,882 yours making my entrance 1154 01:06:54,882 --> 01:06:57,471 [Music] 1155 01:06:57,471 --> 01:07:00,832 again he fulfilled that image you heard 1156 01:07:00,832 --> 01:07:02,832 of that sort of wise crack inside of the 1157 01:07:02,832 --> 01:07:05,751 mouth Jazz play you know seen everything 1158 01:07:05,751 --> 01:07:09,952 and kept a large part of his life 1159 01:07:10,231 --> 01:07:13,271 secret didn't have any social life 1160 01:07:13,271 --> 01:07:16,791 outside of the club and a few friends he 1161 01:07:16,791 --> 01:07:18,551 had were 1162 01:07:18,551 --> 01:07:20,952 musicians who were friends when he was 1163 01:07:20,952 --> 01:07:22,142 on geks with 1164 01:07:22,142 --> 01:07:27,672 [Music] 1165 01:07:27,672 --> 01:07:30,991 them never went to any of these 1166 01:07:30,991 --> 01:07:34,952 musicians house or they never came over 1167 01:07:34,952 --> 01:07:39,952 it was just work music and home 1168 01:07:39,991 --> 01:07:43,112 isn't it 1169 01:07:44,231 --> 01:07:47,952 rich isn't it 1170 01:07:48,672 --> 01:07:53,511 queer losing my timing like this this 1171 01:07:53,511 --> 01:07:57,392 late in my 1172 01:07:58,031 --> 01:08:02,432 career sending the 1173 01:08:02,872 --> 01:08:06,031 [Music] 1174 01:08:06,031 --> 01:08:08,632 clouds when I was very young I used to 1175 01:08:08,632 --> 01:08:09,632 think that 1176 01:08:09,632 --> 01:08:12,352 anybody that could play that good had to 1177 01:08:12,352 --> 01:08:15,152 be a very nice 1178 01:08:15,152 --> 01:08:17,991 intelligent psychologically balanced guy 1179 01:08:17,991 --> 01:08:19,872 it isn't true by any means that some of 1180 01:08:19,872 --> 01:08:24,112 the best players I know are complete uh 1181 01:08:24,112 --> 01:08:27,252 completely hopeless as human 1182 01:08:27,252 --> 01:08:31,111 [Music] 1183 01:08:31,111 --> 01:08:32,872 beings 1184 01:08:32,872 --> 01:08:35,872 don't 1185 01:08:36,552 --> 01:08:38,322 bother there 1186 01:08:38,322 --> 01:08:55,072 [Music] 1187 01:09:03,832 --> 01:09:06,751 you knew when he was not right if you 1188 01:09:06,751 --> 01:09:09,191 know what I mean yeah a depression he 1189 01:09:09,191 --> 01:09:10,992 suffered from it quite badly quite a few 1190 01:09:10,992 --> 01:09:12,111 times 1191 01:09:12,111 --> 01:09:14,312 actually you used to come around for 1192 01:09:14,312 --> 01:09:17,751 Christmas and things like that but it 1193 01:09:17,751 --> 01:09:20,512 was very 1194 01:09:20,512 --> 01:09:23,552 difficult he wasn't 1195 01:09:23,552 --> 01:09:26,231 happy couple of times when he was really 1196 01:09:26,231 --> 01:09:28,512 bad he came to the house and stayed at 1197 01:09:28,512 --> 01:09:31,671 the house and we looked after him but he 1198 01:09:31,671 --> 01:09:33,791 was so 1199 01:09:33,791 --> 01:09:35,912 difficult you know you could never leave 1200 01:09:35,912 --> 01:09:37,992 him alone cuz you never knew where the 1201 01:09:37,992 --> 01:09:41,271 you going to come back and he was 1202 01:09:45,882 --> 01:09:56,881 [Music] 1203 01:09:57,271 --> 01:09:59,872 dead those things were kept very quiet 1204 01:09:59,872 --> 01:10:02,992 by the kind of whole club setup and it 1205 01:10:02,992 --> 01:10:04,992 was part I think of also that rather 1206 01:10:04,992 --> 01:10:06,992 Macho East End background that him and 1207 01:10:06,992 --> 01:10:08,352 Pete had had 1208 01:10:08,352 --> 01:10:10,631 you could acknowledge being an alcoholic 1209 01:10:10,631 --> 01:10:12,232 or a heroin addict or something but you 1210 01:10:12,232 --> 01:10:14,151 couldn't acknowledge having a mental 1211 01:10:14,151 --> 01:10:17,872 problem it was somehow 1212 01:10:18,631 --> 01:10:21,111 shaming the first 1213 01:10:21,111 --> 01:10:25,671 sign that we saw of the Depression was 1214 01:10:25,671 --> 01:10:28,671 actually in 1215 01:10:29,591 --> 01:10:32,312 1965 he didn't know what was happening 1216 01:10:32,312 --> 01:10:33,952 to him he was 1217 01:10:33,952 --> 01:10:36,752 just terribly 1218 01:10:36,752 --> 01:10:40,232 distressed so we we hid it we he would 1219 01:10:40,232 --> 01:10:42,392 didn't want anyone to know he did 1220 01:10:42,392 --> 01:10:44,952 absolutely didn't want anyone to know 1221 01:10:44,952 --> 01:10:47,472 and we would leave the club in the early 1222 01:10:47,472 --> 01:10:50,952 hours of the morning 4 or 4:30 and he 1223 01:10:50,952 --> 01:10:54,232 could drop the mask that he'd had up all 1224 01:10:54,232 --> 01:10:57,872 night and he could be himself and 1225 01:10:57,872 --> 01:11:01,591 himself was falling 1226 01:11:02,312 --> 01:11:05,472 apart nobody talked about manic 1227 01:11:05,472 --> 01:11:08,432 depression nobody knew about it you know 1228 01:11:08,432 --> 01:11:11,352 if you suffered from that Dreadful 1229 01:11:11,352 --> 01:11:14,032 illness you were ignored or you were 1230 01:11:14,032 --> 01:11:15,952 told well it's just you know it's just a 1231 01:11:15,952 --> 01:11:18,232 drunk or he's into drugs or he's not 1232 01:11:18,232 --> 01:11:20,352 taking care of himself when they don't 1233 01:11:20,352 --> 01:11:24,272 realize that you can't control 1234 01:11:27,792 --> 01:11:31,352 that there were times where Dad wouldn't 1235 01:11:31,352 --> 01:11:33,272 really be 1236 01:11:33,272 --> 01:11:35,591 himself I didn't understand being shut 1237 01:11:35,591 --> 01:11:37,752 out when he was going through those 1238 01:11:37,752 --> 01:11:40,272 doubts that he was going through and 1239 01:11:40,272 --> 01:11:42,072 because I wasn't able to recognize it I 1240 01:11:42,072 --> 01:11:45,111 didn't know and just felt that that he 1241 01:11:45,111 --> 01:11:50,352 was just not interested or bored with 1242 01:11:54,712 --> 01:11:57,151 me that it was later on in my life where 1243 01:11:57,151 --> 01:11:59,032 I could really have a better 1244 01:11:59,032 --> 01:12:02,032 understanding and not make it about me 1245 01:12:02,032 --> 01:12:04,591 um and not take it personally as it is a 1246 01:12:04,591 --> 01:12:07,552 very selfish disease I feel like the 1247 01:12:07,552 --> 01:12:08,631 only only thing you're really thinking 1248 01:12:08,631 --> 01:12:10,272 about as far as others is just that 1249 01:12:10,272 --> 01:12:11,952 you're more of a burden than anything 1250 01:12:11,952 --> 01:12:14,872 else on anybody but you're not able to 1251 01:12:14,872 --> 01:12:17,192 see what it would do if you were no 1252 01:12:17,192 --> 01:12:19,272 longer here it's more of I'm just a 1253 01:12:19,272 --> 01:12:21,192 burden they don't need me around 1254 01:12:21,192 --> 01:12:22,472 [Music] 1255 01:12:22,472 --> 01:12:25,631 anymore you know I don't look ahead uh I 1256 01:12:25,631 --> 01:12:28,272 just um live day to day at the moment 1257 01:12:28,272 --> 01:12:30,712 everything's okay you know I can't look 1258 01:12:30,712 --> 01:12:32,752 uh too far into the future I'm afraid 1259 01:12:32,752 --> 01:12:35,912 I've never being that 1260 01:12:36,071 --> 01:12:39,232 way it could be going for years without 1261 01:12:39,232 --> 01:12:41,912 drinking any alcohol not taking any 1262 01:12:41,912 --> 01:12:44,872 sleeping tablets not taking any drugs 1263 01:12:44,872 --> 01:12:47,912 it's just um you couldn't always check 1264 01:12:47,912 --> 01:12:50,192 on what he was taking but you would soon 1265 01:12:50,192 --> 01:12:53,752 realize what was going on unfortunately 1266 01:12:53,752 --> 01:12:58,432 I witnessed several suicide 1267 01:12:58,712 --> 01:13:00,992 attempts I remember one particular 1268 01:13:00,992 --> 01:13:03,272 occasion on the Sunday morning he called 1269 01:13:03,272 --> 01:13:06,992 me in tears I said what I feel terrible 1270 01:13:06,992 --> 01:13:08,912 I said should I come over he said no no 1271 01:13:08,912 --> 01:13:11,111 you've been a good pal Wally no I'll 1272 01:13:11,111 --> 01:13:12,792 I'll be all right and he that's you know 1273 01:13:12,792 --> 01:13:13,752 that's the sort of thing I would get 1274 01:13:13,752 --> 01:13:17,792 from him I particularly remember that 1275 01:13:19,071 --> 01:13:21,272 one when he was in the 1276 01:13:21,272 --> 01:13:24,232 PRI I remember him saying to me why does 1277 01:13:24,232 --> 01:13:27,151 Pete keep on save him is Stella and I 1278 01:13:27,151 --> 01:13:30,111 said I don't know Ronnie and he said why 1279 01:13:30,111 --> 01:13:32,832 don't you just let me 1280 01:13:32,832 --> 01:13:38,111 go and I couldn't answer him 1281 01:13:43,872 --> 01:13:47,752 devastating devastating people couldn't 1282 01:13:47,752 --> 01:13:50,392 grasp or 1283 01:13:50,392 --> 01:13:54,832 understand why he went to the club and 1284 01:13:55,032 --> 01:13:57,352 played was the only way he could deal 1285 01:13:57,352 --> 01:13:59,512 with 1286 01:14:01,092 --> 01:14:03,111 [Music] 1287 01:14:03,111 --> 01:14:08,032 it people say to me 1288 01:14:12,952 --> 01:14:14,452 you need 1289 01:14:14,452 --> 01:14:16,872 [Music] 1290 01:14:16,872 --> 01:14:20,591 company when you 1291 01:14:21,032 --> 01:14:24,952 have some time to 1292 01:14:25,631 --> 01:14:27,502 spend drop 1293 01:14:27,502 --> 01:14:30,631 [Music] 1294 01:14:30,631 --> 01:14:32,802 around when you need a 1295 01:14:32,802 --> 01:14:35,312 [Music] 1296 01:14:35,312 --> 01:14:39,472 friend they forget 1297 01:14:39,992 --> 01:14:43,111 I'm not over 1298 01:14:43,512 --> 01:14:45,562 you for a 1299 01:14:45,562 --> 01:14:53,952 [Music] 1300 01:14:53,952 --> 01:14:57,591 while I can't go 1301 01:14:57,591 --> 01:15:01,272 on without 1302 01:15:04,151 --> 01:15:08,272 you your love is on 1303 01:15:08,272 --> 01:15:10,062 oh I'm 1304 01:15:10,062 --> 01:15:14,032 [Music] 1305 01:15:14,872 --> 01:15:17,952 living I know 1306 01:15:17,952 --> 01:15:20,952 whatever 1307 01:15:22,111 --> 01:15:25,111 be 1308 01:15:26,832 --> 01:15:32,712 me I love you s when you hit the bottom 1309 01:15:32,712 --> 01:15:35,792 and you think there's just no nobody and 1310 01:15:35,792 --> 01:15:38,352 no reason to carry on 1311 01:15:38,352 --> 01:15:42,432 so you hit it hard and you come out or 1312 01:15:42,432 --> 01:15:44,591 you 1313 01:15:45,671 --> 01:15:48,052 don't 1314 01:15:48,052 --> 01:15:49,832 [Music] 1315 01:15:49,832 --> 01:15:52,631 gosh when he got over it he was very 1316 01:15:52,631 --> 01:15:56,042 happy to be alive 1317 01:15:56,042 --> 01:16:08,292 [Music] 1318 01:16:08,292 --> 01:16:19,462 [Applause] 1319 01:16:19,952 --> 01:16:22,591 I really feel that uh the jazz musician 1320 01:16:22,591 --> 01:16:25,472 is an artist he doesn't owe anything 1321 01:16:25,472 --> 01:16:27,952 really to his audience except to give 1322 01:16:27,952 --> 01:16:30,671 the best performance musically that that 1323 01:16:30,671 --> 01:16:32,232 he's capable of which most Jazz 1324 01:16:32,232 --> 01:16:34,071 musicians or every jazz musician that I 1325 01:16:34,071 --> 01:16:35,472 know does anyway you know whenever he 1326 01:16:35,472 --> 01:16:38,872 goes on the stand it's a it's uh um a 1327 01:16:38,872 --> 01:16:42,032 kind of trauma and he tries to do his 1328 01:16:42,032 --> 01:16:44,392 best and you know it's very frustrating 1329 01:16:44,392 --> 01:16:46,272 most of the time that you can't always 1330 01:16:46,272 --> 01:16:49,032 play at your Peak I think your sense of 1331 01:16:49,032 --> 01:16:51,312 self your sense of well-being is 1332 01:16:51,312 --> 01:16:54,192 inextricably linked with your music 1333 01:16:54,192 --> 01:16:56,111 you're looking for Transcendence that 1334 01:16:56,111 --> 01:16:57,952 you can't really control you don't know 1335 01:16:57,952 --> 01:16:59,151 when it's going to 1336 01:16:59,151 --> 01:17:02,552 come and when it does it's the most 1337 01:17:02,552 --> 01:17:05,272 exhilarating feeling you can have and 1338 01:17:05,272 --> 01:17:08,071 for a second you could take your 1339 01:17:08,071 --> 01:17:09,912 hands off the saxophone and it feels 1340 01:17:09,912 --> 01:17:12,671 like it's playing 1341 01:17:13,042 --> 01:17:30,202 [Music] 1342 01:17:32,192 --> 01:17:35,752 itself it's very very difficult to 1343 01:17:35,752 --> 01:17:37,832 reproduce that 1344 01:17:37,832 --> 01:17:39,912 and you want it again and you want it 1345 01:17:39,912 --> 01:17:42,752 again someone like Ronnie who obviously 1346 01:17:42,752 --> 01:17:44,832 struggled with depression 1347 01:17:44,832 --> 01:17:48,192 and he needed 1348 01:17:48,192 --> 01:17:51,872 that any musician will tell you that 1349 01:17:51,872 --> 01:17:54,071 however down you're feeling a great gig 1350 01:17:54,071 --> 01:17:55,712 will pull your head above the water for 1351 01:17:55,712 --> 01:17:57,832 a 1352 01:17:57,872 --> 01:18:01,392 bit you give everything you got emptied 1353 01:18:01,392 --> 01:18:03,872 it Cup every time and it come back twice 1354 01:18:03,872 --> 01:18:07,591 as full it's a ja philosophy it's say 1355 01:18:07,591 --> 01:18:09,192 the greatest State of Mind is the 1356 01:18:09,192 --> 01:18:12,392 ability to balance between making it 1357 01:18:12,392 --> 01:18:14,952 happen and letting it happen letting it 1358 01:18:14,952 --> 01:18:18,512 happen you turn it over to a higher 1359 01:18:19,552 --> 01:18:24,151 power that is how Ronnie dealt with 1360 01:18:24,151 --> 01:18:27,671 every tragedy in his life absolutely he 1361 01:18:27,671 --> 01:18:31,631 played it out through his 1362 01:18:31,671 --> 01:18:34,392 music that's what it's about it's about 1363 01:18:34,392 --> 01:18:37,591 playing your feelings that that's what 1364 01:18:37,591 --> 01:18:42,192 we do we play Life 1365 01:18:42,432 --> 01:18:59,501 [Music] 1366 01:19:10,472 --> 01:19:12,752 he loved musicians as much as he loved 1367 01:19:12,752 --> 01:19:14,832 music you could see it was like a child 1368 01:19:14,832 --> 01:19:17,272 you could he he'd switch from morling 1369 01:19:17,272 --> 01:19:20,472 old man to excited young boy literally 1370 01:19:20,472 --> 01:19:22,552 like 1371 01:19:22,552 --> 01:19:26,352 that he was as much in awe of these 1372 01:19:26,352 --> 01:19:30,792 people as he was the day he walked into 1373 01:19:30,792 --> 01:19:35,071 the clubs on 52nd Street as a young man 1374 01:19:35,071 --> 01:19:39,151 he never lost that 1375 01:19:40,832 --> 01:19:42,792 one night we were driving home in the 1376 01:19:42,792 --> 01:19:44,912 car and he said to me he said you know 1377 01:19:44,912 --> 01:19:48,312 Mary he said it's it's unbelievable it's 1378 01:19:48,312 --> 01:19:50,512 just magical 1379 01:19:50,512 --> 01:19:55,032 that here I am with this little Club in 1380 01:19:55,032 --> 01:19:59,032 London and Ben Webster is playing my 1381 01:19:59,032 --> 01:20:02,432 club he said I can't believe it I can't 1382 01:20:02,432 --> 01:20:06,992 believe that this is all happening 1383 01:20:12,472 --> 01:20:14,631 from sitting where his office was just 1384 01:20:14,631 --> 01:20:16,591 behind the stage you realize that he 1385 01:20:16,591 --> 01:20:18,631 listened to every bit of music that was 1386 01:20:18,631 --> 01:20:20,872 ever being played on that stage it was 1387 01:20:20,872 --> 01:20:22,232 almost like he was an extension of the 1388 01:20:22,232 --> 01:20:24,232 back 1389 01:20:24,232 --> 01:20:27,432 there keeps me off the streets I get 1390 01:20:27,432 --> 01:20:30,232 free food uh but the main thing really 1391 01:20:30,232 --> 01:20:33,352 is uh um I get to 1392 01:20:33,352 --> 01:20:36,512 hear you know great players all the time 1393 01:20:36,512 --> 01:20:38,591 it's like having a Master Class 12 1394 01:20:38,591 --> 01:20:42,151 months a year hey come on 1395 01:20:42,151 --> 01:20:44,512 man come on 1396 01:20:44,512 --> 01:20:47,272 man hey come on 1397 01:20:47,272 --> 01:20:50,032 man I'm waiting for the 1398 01:20:50,032 --> 01:20:53,992 man crazy for the 1399 01:21:00,832 --> 01:21:03,151 man my 1400 01:21:03,151 --> 01:21:06,832 man my man don't love me he treats me oh 1401 01:21:06,832 --> 01:21:08,512 so so 1402 01:21:08,512 --> 01:21:11,752 mean my man don't love me he treats me 1403 01:21:11,752 --> 01:21:13,712 oh so 1404 01:21:13,712 --> 01:21:16,752 me he's the meatest 1405 01:21:16,752 --> 01:21:21,222 man I ever seen he's from 1406 01:21:21,222 --> 01:21:24,631 [Music] 1407 01:21:24,631 --> 01:21:27,272 Bright 1408 01:21:27,272 --> 01:21:28,892 Sheffield 1409 01:21:28,892 --> 01:21:31,071 [Music] 1410 01:21:31,071 --> 01:21:33,752 Bristol tell me all about him keer tell 1411 01:21:33,752 --> 01:21:37,512 me about my man 1412 01:21:37,752 --> 01:21:39,631 yeah 1413 01:21:39,631 --> 01:21:41,192 right 1414 01:21:41,192 --> 01:21:45,912 what oh I made a mistake he's from 1415 01:21:45,952 --> 01:21:48,952 London 1416 01:21:49,512 --> 01:21:52,472 yeah oh 1417 01:21:52,472 --> 01:21:57,392 yeah man what else did you say about him 1418 01:21:57,392 --> 01:21:59,832 ke you don't 1419 01:21:59,832 --> 01:22:02,432 say 1420 01:22:02,432 --> 01:22:04,312 what 1421 01:22:04,312 --> 01:22:09,912 what old the dirty old oh 1422 01:22:12,071 --> 01:22:15,071 man 1423 01:22:16,272 --> 01:22:19,272 the 1424 01:22:20,652 --> 01:22:23,352 [Music] 1425 01:22:23,352 --> 01:22:24,872 baby 1426 01:22:24,872 --> 01:22:28,192 man I'm 1427 01:22:28,232 --> 01:22:31,111 waiting I'm 1428 01:22:31,111 --> 01:22:33,472 Wai 1429 01:22:33,472 --> 01:22:38,872 for for my 1430 01:22:40,631 --> 01:22:44,322 man man he never 1431 01:22:44,322 --> 01:22:45,752 [Music] 1432 01:22:45,752 --> 01:22:48,832 my know my man 1433 01:22:48,832 --> 01:22:51,832 he 1434 01:22:53,552 --> 01:22:56,232 London my 1435 01:22:56,232 --> 01:22:59,232 man 1436 01:23:01,752 --> 01:23:03,752 [Music] 1437 01:23:03,752 --> 01:23:07,022 my right on 1438 01:23:07,022 --> 01:23:20,081 [Applause] 1439 01:23:28,232 --> 01:23:30,992 so and I'm not sure exactly why he went 1440 01:23:30,992 --> 01:23:34,272 to see the dentist but this was someone 1441 01:23:34,272 --> 01:23:37,192 that he's been going to for a very very 1442 01:23:37,192 --> 01:23:39,032 long time so he knew dad he knew dad was 1443 01:23:39,032 --> 01:23:41,552 a musician but for whatever reasons the 1444 01:23:41,552 --> 01:23:45,352 dentist felt the need to remove all of 1445 01:23:45,352 --> 01:23:50,272 Dad's teeth to put in porcelain 1446 01:23:50,272 --> 01:23:54,071 ones it was a torturous long winded 1447 01:23:54,071 --> 01:23:57,712 process this thing of putting in 1448 01:23:57,712 --> 01:24:00,352 implants it was the only way he could go 1449 01:24:00,352 --> 01:24:03,151 and still maintain his omra Shore but 1450 01:24:03,151 --> 01:24:06,111 unfortunately the dentist was not an 1451 01:24:06,111 --> 01:24:09,472 accomplished dentist in that area and it 1452 01:24:09,472 --> 01:24:11,151 didn't 1453 01:24:11,151 --> 01:24:14,392 work this was after 2 years of Agony in 1454 01:24:14,392 --> 01:24:18,272 hell and not playing only to arrive at 1455 01:24:18,272 --> 01:24:22,272 this Dreadful place where none of it had 1456 01:24:22,272 --> 01:24:25,272 worked one of the main things that one 1457 01:24:25,272 --> 01:24:27,151 doesn't do is mess with a musician's 1458 01:24:27,151 --> 01:24:30,032 mouth shifting it ever so slightly just 1459 01:24:30,032 --> 01:24:32,032 throws your whole entire playing off 1460 01:24:32,032 --> 01:24:34,912 because not only is is the instrument 1461 01:24:34,912 --> 01:24:37,312 performing but your mouth is now a part 1462 01:24:37,312 --> 01:24:38,952 of the instrument and that's where your 1463 01:24:38,952 --> 01:24:42,312 sound really is Created 1464 01:24:43,992 --> 01:24:47,151 from it's almost like starting from 1465 01:24:47,151 --> 01:24:49,312 square one again and I 1466 01:24:49,312 --> 01:24:52,952 guess when you're 69 that can seem like 1467 01:24:52,952 --> 01:24:55,712 a mountain to 1468 01:24:57,712 --> 01:25:01,032 climb everything declined because he 1469 01:25:01,032 --> 01:25:04,272 couldn't play everything and it's not 1470 01:25:04,272 --> 01:25:06,352 that he didn't fight it it's not that he 1471 01:25:06,352 --> 01:25:09,192 didn't battle it he had a tremendous 1472 01:25:09,192 --> 01:25:11,872 battle for a couple of 1473 01:25:11,872 --> 01:25:14,151 years it's difficult you I always feel a 1474 01:25:14,151 --> 01:25:17,232 bit sad if if if a guy comes over that 1475 01:25:17,232 --> 01:25:19,712 that that I know was a great player 10 1476 01:25:19,712 --> 01:25:25,671 or 15 years ago who uh lose the the the 1477 01:25:25,671 --> 01:25:27,631 thing that they had you 1478 01:25:27,631 --> 01:25:29,992 know he definitely felt that he was 1479 01:25:29,992 --> 01:25:32,232 useless if he couldn't play I think I 1480 01:25:32,232 --> 01:25:34,752 heard him once or twice use that word 1481 01:25:34,752 --> 01:25:36,111 Whenever there were episodes where he 1482 01:25:36,111 --> 01:25:37,712 couldn't play the same Max phone I think 1483 01:25:37,712 --> 01:25:40,032 that really brought him to a very low 1484 01:25:40,032 --> 01:25:43,671 E the realization that he wasn't going 1485 01:25:43,671 --> 01:25:46,071 to have that probably weighed very 1486 01:25:46,071 --> 01:25:49,992 heavily on him cuz that it was his 1487 01:25:52,242 --> 01:25:55,032 [Music] 1488 01:25:55,032 --> 01:25:57,472 life you know not only did he lose his 1489 01:25:57,472 --> 01:26:00,232 gift but he lost his Outlet to express 1490 01:26:00,232 --> 01:26:02,752 his feelings however sad or happy they 1491 01:26:02,752 --> 01:26:05,111 might have 1492 01:26:05,352 --> 01:26:08,392 been the situation with his teeth 1493 01:26:08,392 --> 01:26:11,952 prevented him from playing it out and 1494 01:26:11,952 --> 01:26:15,512 for the first time in his life he could 1495 01:26:15,512 --> 01:26:18,352 not pick up his horn and 1496 01:26:18,352 --> 01:26:21,712 play one thing that he said to me then 1497 01:26:21,712 --> 01:26:24,151 and then repeated many times after that 1498 01:26:24,151 --> 01:26:29,032 is Mary you must understand that if the 1499 01:26:29,032 --> 01:26:35,472 time comes and I can't play to my 1500 01:26:35,472 --> 01:26:40,792 satisfaction I don't belong here anymore 1501 01:26:56,582 --> 01:27:08,272 [Music] 1502 01:27:08,272 --> 01:27:11,272 n 1503 01:27:11,732 --> 01:27:53,842 [Music] 1504 01:27:56,872 --> 01:27:59,591 we went to the funeral up in 1505 01:27:59,591 --> 01:28:03,472 Hamstead it was very sad it wasn't just 1506 01:28:03,472 --> 01:28:07,312 that Ronnie died you know it was all the 1507 01:28:07,312 --> 01:28:10,432 the memories that go back in time all 1508 01:28:10,432 --> 01:28:11,992 that stuff you 1509 01:28:11,992 --> 01:28:15,392 know oh 1510 01:28:16,352 --> 01:28:20,872 yeah when Ronnie died Pete was 1511 01:28:20,872 --> 01:28:25,352 lost you know at night time used to cry 1512 01:28:25,352 --> 01:28:28,192 terribly and I didn't know what to do or 1513 01:28:28,192 --> 01:28:31,151 say to him I'd never come across it 1514 01:28:31,151 --> 01:28:34,792 before like a man could cry like that 1515 01:28:34,792 --> 01:28:39,232 because he did love him really loved 1516 01:28:39,232 --> 01:28:44,071 him and I think Ronnie loved him as 1517 01:28:44,952 --> 01:28:47,472 well I went to identify the body because 1518 01:28:47,472 --> 01:28:49,631 Pete hadn't got the heart to go and see 1519 01:28:49,631 --> 01:28:52,792 it so he died in his in his apartment in 1520 01:28:52,792 --> 01:28:57,591 Chelsea and it was uh a sad 1521 01:28:57,992 --> 01:29:00,912 [Music] 1522 01:29:00,912 --> 01:29:04,071 moment there was an inquest of course 1523 01:29:04,071 --> 01:29:05,992 and the inquest concluded that he died 1524 01:29:05,992 --> 01:29:08,752 from an in cautious dose of 1525 01:29:08,752 --> 01:29:11,631 sedatives not that it was 1526 01:29:11,631 --> 01:29:16,642 suicide don't know I'll never know 1527 01:29:16,642 --> 01:29:27,942 [Applause] 1528 01:29:41,872 --> 01:29:46,232 that was awful time awful 1529 01:29:47,631 --> 01:29:50,912 time it was always Ronny Ronnie Ronny 1530 01:29:50,912 --> 01:29:53,312 Ronnie and then all of a sudden he was 1531 01:29:53,312 --> 01:29:56,071 Pete everybody wanted to interview him 1532 01:29:56,071 --> 01:30:00,111 and how he felt and everything and I was 1533 01:30:00,111 --> 01:30:02,712 really really worried about him cuz he 1534 01:30:02,712 --> 01:30:06,631 took it really hard 1535 01:30:07,832 --> 01:30:10,432 it was touch and go whether the club was 1536 01:30:10,432 --> 01:30:12,792 going to 1537 01:30:19,192 --> 01:30:23,312 close I would like very much for Ronnie 1538 01:30:23,312 --> 01:30:24,591 Scotts to go 1539 01:30:24,591 --> 01:30:28,312 on I don't know how at this stage but I 1540 01:30:28,312 --> 01:30:30,872 would like to think that Ronnie Scotts 1541 01:30:30,872 --> 01:30:34,392 will go on and on and on 1542 01:30:34,392 --> 01:30:39,071 [Music] 1543 01:30:39,071 --> 01:30:41,232 he knew that he had to keep the club 1544 01:30:41,232 --> 01:30:45,352 going to be able to find someone to take 1545 01:30:45,352 --> 01:30:47,872 it on cuz I wasn't going to do it he was 1546 01:30:47,872 --> 01:30:50,591 getting old he wanted to retire but he 1547 01:30:50,591 --> 01:30:52,872 wanted the club to carry on because of 1548 01:30:52,872 --> 01:30:54,892 Rony 1549 01:30:54,892 --> 01:30:58,011 [Music] 1550 01:31:02,992 --> 01:31:06,171 [Music] 1551 01:31:08,872 --> 01:31:11,272 with over 20 years spent transforming 1552 01:31:11,272 --> 01:31:13,591 and revitalizing some of the most 1553 01:31:13,591 --> 01:31:15,392 historic Arts venues in the country 1554 01:31:15,392 --> 01:31:17,071 Sally green is a businesswoman who's 1555 01:31:17,071 --> 01:31:19,591 earned the unusual title theater 1556 01:31:19,591 --> 01:31:21,872 regenerator but her most recent purchase 1557 01:31:21,872 --> 01:31:24,272 has caused to stir in jazzland and so we 1558 01:31:24,272 --> 01:31:27,392 sent Rachel to Ronnie Scotts to find out 1559 01:31:27,392 --> 01:31:31,151 more Sandy green was a lifesaver cuz 1560 01:31:31,151 --> 01:31:33,832 there was so many people after the club 1561 01:31:33,832 --> 01:31:37,472 and Pete realized that she was the one 1562 01:31:37,472 --> 01:31:40,832 in those days women weren't really 1563 01:31:40,832 --> 01:31:45,032 allowed to take over and she 1564 01:31:45,032 --> 01:31:46,992 did when you think of all the people who 1565 01:31:46,992 --> 01:31:50,032 played here it's iconic it's 1566 01:31:50,032 --> 01:31:52,512 extraordinary it's beautiful and it 1567 01:31:52,512 --> 01:31:54,872 stood the test of 1568 01:31:54,872 --> 01:31:57,272 time the decision he made to sell it to 1569 01:31:57,272 --> 01:31:59,432 Sally took quite a lot of people by 1570 01:31:59,432 --> 01:32:02,472 surprise it needed a refurbishment cuz 1571 01:32:02,472 --> 01:32:04,392 it had very much got run down at that 1572 01:32:04,392 --> 01:32:06,832 point and Sally gave it a major brush up 1573 01:32:06,832 --> 01:32:08,671 and I think that surprised a few people 1574 01:32:08,671 --> 01:32:10,752 that actually it was much 1575 01:32:10,752 --> 01:32:14,032 smarter it's very very well known but we 1576 01:32:14,032 --> 01:32:17,472 need to resuscitate it I just thought it 1577 01:32:17,472 --> 01:32:20,272 needs lighting up it needs something 1578 01:32:20,272 --> 01:32:22,992 special done to 1579 01:32:23,631 --> 01:32:26,551 it Sally introduced Michael watt as a 1580 01:32:26,551 --> 01:32:28,671 financial partner he was quite a 1581 01:32:28,671 --> 01:32:30,551 knowledge on Jazz so was able to 1582 01:32:30,551 --> 01:32:31,992 contribute quite a 1583 01:32:31,992 --> 01:32:35,671 lot I'm very proud of what Sally and I 1584 01:32:35,671 --> 01:32:37,312 have done here I'm very proud of what 1585 01:32:37,312 --> 01:32:39,272 the staff has done 1586 01:32:39,272 --> 01:32:42,512 here when we purchased the place the 1587 01:32:42,512 --> 01:32:45,832 greatest worry was that our crowds would 1588 01:32:45,832 --> 01:32:48,712 desert us and we withstood a fair bit of 1589 01:32:48,712 --> 01:32:51,151 criticism from the old crew and what 1590 01:32:51,151 --> 01:32:52,912 they failed to take on is that Ronnie 1591 01:32:52,912 --> 01:32:55,752 Scots was on the bones of its ass it was 1592 01:32:55,752 --> 01:32:59,032 finished we've elevated into the 21st 1593 01:32:59,032 --> 01:33:01,232 century and we've elevated in a way 1594 01:33:01,232 --> 01:33:03,272 which the fact that we're always full 1595 01:33:03,272 --> 01:33:07,432 tells us that people accept 1596 01:33:08,992 --> 01:33:10,752 I was curious but I mean you know they 1597 01:33:10,752 --> 01:33:13,432 updated it and they modernized it and uh 1598 01:33:13,432 --> 01:33:17,512 you know what the programming's been 1599 01:33:18,392 --> 01:33:20,631 brilliant if we got a decision to make 1600 01:33:20,631 --> 01:33:22,111 about something 1601 01:33:22,111 --> 01:33:24,432 artistically and you is that sort of 1602 01:33:24,432 --> 01:33:25,631 thing Ronnie would book what would 1603 01:33:25,631 --> 01:33:27,472 Ronnie feel if we' booked that CU we do 1604 01:33:27,472 --> 01:33:29,912 occasionally go off piece but they did 1605 01:33:29,912 --> 01:33:33,192 as well and I always hang on to 1606 01:33:33,192 --> 01:33:35,832 that there is a very rich Legacy with 1607 01:33:35,832 --> 01:33:38,591 this club that Pete and Ronnie laid down 1608 01:33:38,591 --> 01:33:40,631 if we put something on does it reinforce 1609 01:33:40,631 --> 01:33:42,712 or does it take away from what they 1610 01:33:42,712 --> 01:33:44,872 created you see ourselves as a s 1611 01:33:44,872 --> 01:33:47,071 Guardians of the club but also 1612 01:33:47,071 --> 01:33:50,032 refreshing it without damaging any of 1613 01:33:50,032 --> 01:33:52,512 that 1614 01:33:53,551 --> 01:33:55,992 Legacy I'm delighted I couldn't be more 1615 01:33:55,992 --> 01:33:58,151 delighted I know it's it's not as as it 1616 01:33:58,151 --> 01:34:00,312 was it's gone more commercial but so 1617 01:34:00,312 --> 01:34:01,792 what you've got as we live in a more 1618 01:34:01,792 --> 01:34:04,192 commercial World guys briefing please 1619 01:34:04,192 --> 01:34:06,832 briefing briefing I con look at the 1620 01:34:06,832 --> 01:34:09,472 lineups there's so much to pick from so 1621 01:34:09,472 --> 01:34:11,272 much new music coming through which I 1622 01:34:11,272 --> 01:34:12,792 think Ronnie Scots has done really well 1623 01:34:12,792 --> 01:34:14,952 at kind of engaging with and 1624 01:34:14,952 --> 01:34:16,671 incorporating into their program because 1625 01:34:16,671 --> 01:34:18,912 it's quite easy for these clubs to just 1626 01:34:18,912 --> 01:34:23,071 become museums in a way 1627 01:34:34,012 --> 01:34:39,852 [Applause] 1628 01:34:43,902 --> 01:34:45,752 [Music] 1629 01:34:45,752 --> 01:34:48,902 [Applause] 1630 01:34:50,162 --> 01:34:53,622 [Music] 1631 01:34:55,071 --> 01:34:57,111 it 1632 01:34:57,111 --> 01:35:00,792 all hatred of 1633 01:35:00,792 --> 01:35:04,432 me Jud 1634 01:35:04,832 --> 01:35:06,922 to up 1635 01:35:06,922 --> 01:35:09,432 [Music] 1636 01:35:09,432 --> 01:35:12,591 I think Sally green and the team really 1637 01:35:12,591 --> 01:35:14,992 understand the foundation that Dad has 1638 01:35:14,992 --> 01:35:15,952 left 1639 01:35:15,952 --> 01:35:21,192 [Music] 1640 01:35:21,192 --> 01:35:23,472 behind there's an adaptability about 1641 01:35:23,472 --> 01:35:25,631 Ronnies I think now it's very shrewdly 1642 01:35:25,631 --> 01:35:28,151 run by Simon cook and others and I think 1643 01:35:28,151 --> 01:35:30,312 in that sense they realize the jazz is 1644 01:35:30,312 --> 01:35:32,312 this very broad church and there's a new 1645 01:35:32,312 --> 01:35:33,992 interest in it from a younger audience 1646 01:35:33,992 --> 01:35:36,832 which they can incorporate along side 1647 01:35:36,832 --> 01:35:38,591 catering for the traditional audience 1648 01:35:38,591 --> 01:35:39,202 they've always 1649 01:35:39,202 --> 01:35:48,432 [Music] 1650 01:35:48,432 --> 01:35:50,752 had when you say we're playing Ronnie 1651 01:35:50,752 --> 01:35:53,631 Scotts that's the 1652 01:35:53,671 --> 01:35:55,792 Pinnacle I think that's like the thing 1653 01:35:55,792 --> 01:35:57,792 on your resume they go wow played it 1654 01:35:57,792 --> 01:36:00,872 Ronnie Scots that's 1655 01:36:01,872 --> 01:36:04,032 amazing I sat here last night and I said 1656 01:36:04,032 --> 01:36:06,872 can you imagine the legendary people 1657 01:36:06,872 --> 01:36:08,432 that have sat in this dressing room this 1658 01:36:08,432 --> 01:36:09,992 very dressing room because it hasn't 1659 01:36:09,992 --> 01:36:14,551 changed in all those years 1660 01:36:19,002 --> 01:36:35,831 [Music] 1661 01:36:38,442 --> 01:36:42,051 [Music] 1662 01:36:47,192 --> 01:36:51,111 the club was Ronnie and Pete that's it 1663 01:36:51,111 --> 01:36:53,472 without them it wouldn't have worked it 1664 01:36:53,472 --> 01:36:55,631 was a huge experiment they had to work 1665 01:36:55,631 --> 01:36:57,792 their asses off to get it off the ground 1666 01:36:57,792 --> 01:36:59,472 but they stuck with it for people who 1667 01:36:59,472 --> 01:37:04,192 love music priceless 1668 01:37:04,432 --> 01:37:07,192 priceless it is the equivalent of of so 1669 01:37:07,192 --> 01:37:09,272 many different things in classical music 1670 01:37:09,272 --> 01:37:11,591 it's a Recital Hall it's a concert hall 1671 01:37:11,591 --> 01:37:14,312 it's a place of 1672 01:37:14,312 --> 01:37:17,192 learning it was one of those magic 1673 01:37:17,192 --> 01:37:20,631 passages in time and you didn't want to 1674 01:37:20,631 --> 01:37:23,872 miss a note not one 1675 01:37:23,872 --> 01:37:26,631 note when you walk into this 1676 01:37:26,631 --> 01:37:29,872 room there is an incredible atmosphere 1677 01:37:29,872 --> 01:37:33,022 there was moving moving 1678 01:37:33,022 --> 01:37:41,912 [Music] 1679 01:37:41,912 --> 01:37:44,631 for me personally it's been a total CH 1680 01:37:44,631 --> 01:37:46,352 you know I've had a heart attack out of 1681 01:37:46,352 --> 01:37:49,512 it uh and had my real down periods and 1682 01:37:49,512 --> 01:37:52,151 up periods but the outcome of it is if I 1683 01:37:52,151 --> 01:37:54,472 had my choice to do it over again with 1684 01:37:54,472 --> 01:37:56,912 Ronnie I would do it all over again I'd 1685 01:37:56,912 --> 01:37:59,151 love 1686 01:37:59,192 --> 01:38:02,712 to I'm grateful that I had a chance to 1687 01:38:02,712 --> 01:38:05,992 know Ronnie and Pete my life wouldn't be 1688 01:38:05,992 --> 01:38:08,712 complete without knowing those people 1689 01:38:08,712 --> 01:38:11,832 going through my experience in 1690 01:38:11,832 --> 01:38:14,872 London there's been some phenomenal 1691 01:38:14,872 --> 01:38:16,752 artists they've all come through Ronnie 1692 01:38:16,752 --> 01:38:19,752 Scots I really really am grateful to the 1693 01:38:19,752 --> 01:38:22,792 place because it just opened up another 1694 01:38:22,792 --> 01:38:24,472 world for 1695 01:38:24,472 --> 01:38:29,071 me I saw all the best it was like a 1696 01:38:29,071 --> 01:38:31,732 dream come true 1697 01:38:31,732 --> 01:38:36,192 [Music] 1698 01:38:36,192 --> 01:38:38,712 keep this place alive man because it 1699 01:38:38,712 --> 01:38:40,752 infects everybody that walks through 1700 01:38:40,752 --> 01:38:42,952 that 1701 01:38:43,352 --> 01:38:47,712 door I've seen over 60 70 years Jazz and 1702 01:38:47,712 --> 01:38:49,752 Blues take over the world it's 1703 01:38:49,752 --> 01:38:52,712 unbelievable Ronnie Scots it means 1704 01:38:52,712 --> 01:38:56,392 freedom and coming 1705 01:38:56,752 --> 01:38:59,192 together it was that place where he went 1706 01:38:59,192 --> 01:39:02,912 to worship and the one constant factor 1707 01:39:02,912 --> 01:39:04,712 in all of it were these two guys who 1708 01:39:04,712 --> 01:39:06,551 done it 1709 01:39:06,551 --> 01:39:08,312 yeah when we first started we had no 1710 01:39:08,312 --> 01:39:10,512 Ambitions at all really just a place for 1711 01:39:10,512 --> 01:39:12,992 you know local guys to 1712 01:39:12,992 --> 01:39:15,232 play it's now 1713 01:39:15,232 --> 01:39:17,792 become of world 1714 01:39:17,792 --> 01:39:22,312 repute in a way we're very proud of 1715 01:39:22,312 --> 01:39:25,792 it yeah it is amazing I mean it's it's 1716 01:39:25,792 --> 01:39:28,272 um it's much easier to name the people 1717 01:39:28,272 --> 01:39:29,712 that haven't played the musicians that 1718 01:39:29,712 --> 01:39:32,432 haven't played here rather than the ones 1719 01:39:32,432 --> 01:39:34,232 that 1720 01:39:34,232 --> 01:39:37,512 have one we did get Duke 1721 01:39:37,512 --> 01:39:42,631 ellon you get John C TR got Charlie par 1722 01:39:42,631 --> 01:39:44,752 Charlie par but there have been some 1723 01:39:44,752 --> 01:39:49,562 marvelous nights the place great nights 1728 01:40:05,912 --> 01:40:08,232 been a marvelous audience uh thank you 1729 01:40:08,232 --> 01:40:09,512 very much for listening to me you've 1730 01:40:09,512 --> 01:40:13,692 made a happy man very old thanks a lot 1742 01:42:05,792 --> 01:42:08,792 oh 1743 01:42:12,222 --> 01:42:15,442